From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: Joshua Hahn <joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/6] mm/memcontrol: Make memcg limits tier-aware
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2026 13:49:21 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aZ3ysV-k1UisnPRG@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260224161357.2622501-1-joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>
On Tue, Feb 24, 2026 at 08:13:56AM -0800, Joshua Hahn wrote:
> ... snip ...
Just injecting a few points here
(disclosure: I have been in the development loop for this feature)
>
> > Otherwise promotions would make sure to that we have the most active
> > memory in the top tier.
>
Yes / No. This makes the assumption that you always want this.
Barring a minimum Quality of Service mechanism (as Joshua explains)
this reduces the usefulness of a secondary tier of memory.
Services will just prefer not to be deployed to these kinds of
machines because the performance variance is too high.
>
> > Is this typical in real life configurations?
>
> I would say so. I think that the two examples above are realistic
> scenarios that cloud providers and hyperscalers might face on tiered systems.
>
The answer is unequivocally yes.
Lacking tier-awareness is actually a huge blocker for deploying mixed
workloads on large, dense memory systems with multiple tiers (2+).
Technically we're already at 4-ish tiers: DDR, CXL, ZSWAP, SWAP.
We have zswap/swap controls in cgroups already, we just lack that same
control for coherent memory tiers. This tries to use the existing nobs
(max/high/low/min) to do what they already do - just proportionally.
~Gregory
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-24 18:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-23 22:38 Joshua Hahn
2026-02-23 22:38 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] mm/memory-tiers: Introduce tier-aware memcg limit sysfs Joshua Hahn
2026-02-23 22:38 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] mm/page_counter: Introduce tiered memory awareness to page_counter Joshua Hahn
2026-02-23 22:38 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] mm/memory-tiers, memcontrol: Introduce toptier capacity updates Joshua Hahn
2026-02-23 22:38 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] mm/memcontrol: Charge and uncharge from toptier Joshua Hahn
2026-02-23 22:38 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] mm/memcontrol, page_counter: Make memory.low tier-aware Joshua Hahn
2026-02-23 22:38 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] mm/memcontrol: Make memory.high tier-aware Joshua Hahn
2026-02-24 11:27 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] mm/memcontrol: Make memcg limits tier-aware Michal Hocko
2026-02-24 16:13 ` Joshua Hahn
2026-02-24 18:49 ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-02-24 20:03 ` Kaiyang Zhao
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