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[34.90.50.93]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-658b46abb3esm7161539a12.32.2026.02.01.19.26.10 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 01 Feb 2026 19:26:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 03:26:07 +0000 From: Matt Bobrowski To: Alexei Starovoitov Cc: Michal Hocko , Roman Gushchin , bpf , Alexei Starovoitov , Shakeel Butt , JP Kobryn , LKML , linux-mm , Suren Baghdasaryan , Johannes Weiner , Andrew Morton , joshdon@google.com Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v3 00/17] mm: BPF OOM Message-ID: References: <20260127024421.494929-1-roman.gushchin@linux.dev> <7ia44io6kbwj.fsf@castle.c.googlers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Stat-Signature: r7zmiyxbyi9cpjgnbfgq4s3khfbhje99 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7F6E9C0007 X-Rspam-User: X-Rspamd-Server: rspam04 X-HE-Tag: 1770002773-214630 X-HE-Meta: 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 qwH6DIjn 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 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 08:59:34AM -0800, Alexei Starovoitov wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 12:06 AM Michal Hocko wrote: > > > > > > > Another viable idea (also suggested by Andrew Morton) is to develop > > > a production ready memcg-aware OOM killer in BPF, put the source code > > > into the kernel tree and make it loadable by default (obviously under a > > > config option). Myself or one of my colleagues will try to explore it a > > > bit later: the tricky part is this by-default loading because there are > > > no existing precedents. > > > > It certainly makes sense to have trusted implementation of a commonly > > requested oom policy that we couldn't implement due to specific nature > > that doesn't really apply to many users. And have that in the tree. I am > > not thrilled about auto-loading because this could be easily done by a > > simple tooling. > > Production ready bpf-oom program(s) must be part of this set. > We've seen enough attempts to add bpf st_ops in various parts of > the kernel without providing realistic bpf progs that will drive > those hooks. It's great to have flexibility and people need > to have a freedom to develop their own bpf-oom policy, but > the author of the patch set who's advocating for the new > bpf hooks must provide their real production progs and > share their real use case with the community. > It's not cool to hide it. > In that sense enabling auto-loading without requiring an end user > to install the toolchain and build bpf programs/rust/whatnot > is necessary too. > bpf-oom can be a self contained part of vmlinux binary. > We already have a mechanism to do that. > This way the end user doesn't need to be a bpf expert, doesn't need > to install clang, build the tools, etc. > They can just enable fancy new bpf-oom policy and see whether > it's helping their apps or not while knowing nothing about bpf. For the auto-loading capability you speak of here, I'm currently interpreting it as being some form of conceptually similar extension to the BPF preload functionality. Have I understood this correctly? If so, I feel as though something like this would be a completely independent stream of work, orthogonal to this BPF OOM feature, right? Or, is that you'd like this new auto-loading capability completed as a hard prerequisite before pulling in the BPF OOM feature?