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From: YoungJun Park <youngjun.park@lge.com>
To: Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>,
	Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>,
	Kemeng Shi <shikemeng@huaweicloud.com>,
	Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>, Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	gunho.lee@lge.com, taejoon.song@lge.com, austin.kim@lge.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] mm/swap, memcg: Introduce swap tiers for cgroup based swap control
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2026 11:43:37 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aY6P2ULxocDT7HV/@yjaykim-PowerEdge-T330> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKEwX=M5nH3=aqSLybCfLrtScpYKz+jRWt3JYG7im70DCoyjJg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 09:57:40AM -0800, Nhat Pham wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2026 at 10:53 PM Youngjun Park <youngjun.park@lge.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is the second version of the RFC for the "Swap Tiers" concept.
> > Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20251109124947.1101520-1-youngjun.park@lge.com/
> >
> > This version incorporates feedback received during LPC 2025 and addresses
> > comments from the previous review. We have also included experimental
> > results based on usage scenarios intended for our internal platforms.
> >
> > Motivation & Concept recap
> > ==========================
> > Current Linux swap allocation is global, limiting the ability to assign
> > faster devices to specific cgroups. Our initial attempt at per-cgroup
> > priorities proved over-engineered and caused LRU inversion.
> >
> > Following Chris Li's suggestion, we pivoted to "Swap Tiers." A tier is
> > simply a user-named group of swap devices sharing the same priority range.
> > This abstraction facilitates swap device selection based on speed, allowing
> > users to configure specific tiers for cgroups.
> >
> > For more details, please refer to the LPC 2025 presentation
> > https://lpc.events/event/19/contributions/2141/attachments/1857/3998/LPC2025Finalss.pdf
> > or v1 patch.
> >
> > Changes in v2
> > =============
> > 1. Respect cgroup hierarchy principle (LPC 2025 feedback)
> > - The logic now strictly follows standard cgroup hierarchy principles.
> >
> > Previous: Children could select any tier using "+" regardless of the
> > parent's configuration. "+" tier is referenced. (could not be silently disappeared)
> >
> > Current: The explicit selection ("+") concept is removed. By
> > default, all tiers are selected. Users now use "-" to exclude specific
> > tiers. Excluded tier could disappeared silently.
> > A child cgroup is always a subset of its parent. Even if a child
> > re-enables a tier with "+" that was excluded by the parent, the effective
> > tier list is limited to the parent's allowed subset.
> 
> This comment seems a bit clunky to me. The "+" is removed, as noted
> above, but then why are we saying "even if a child re-enables a tier
> with "+"" here? Am I missing something?

To clarify, previously, the default state used all tiers. Using "+"              
switched to "an exclusive mode"  where only that specific tier was used.         
                                                                                 
I am changing this to a subtraction-based model. By default, all tiers           
are selected, and users use "-" to exclude specific ones.                        
(Then not "removed" but "changed" is more proper?)                               
                                                                                 
In this context, I intended "+" to be used to restore a tier that was            
previously excluded by "-".

> >
> > Example:
> > Global Tiers: SSD, HDD, NET
> > Parent: SSD, NET (HDD excluded)
> > Child: HDD, NET (SSD excluded)
> > -> Effective Child Tier: NET (Intersection of Parent and Child)
> 
> But otherwise, I assume you mean to restrict child's allowed swap
> tiers to be a subset of children and its ancestors? 

Exactly.

> That seems more
> straightforward to me than the last system :)

Yes, that's right :)

Thanks 
Youngjun Park.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-02-13  2:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-26  6:52 Youngjun Park
2026-01-26  6:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 v2 1/5] mm: swap: introduce swap tier infrastructure Youngjun Park
2026-02-12  9:07   ` Chris Li
2026-02-13  2:18     ` YoungJun Park
2026-02-13 14:33     ` YoungJun Park
2026-01-26  6:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 v2 2/5] mm: swap: associate swap devices with tiers Youngjun Park
2026-01-26  6:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 v2 3/5] mm: memcontrol: add interface for swap tier selection Youngjun Park
2026-01-26  6:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 v2 4/5] mm, swap: change back to use each swap device's percpu cluster Youngjun Park
2026-02-12  7:37   ` Chris Li
2026-01-26  6:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 v2 5/5] mm, swap: introduce percpu swap device cache to avoid fragmentation Youngjun Park
2026-02-12  6:12 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] mm/swap, memcg: Introduce swap tiers for cgroup based swap control Chris Li
2026-02-12  9:22   ` Chris Li
2026-02-13  2:26     ` YoungJun Park
2026-02-13  1:59   ` YoungJun Park
2026-02-12 17:57 ` Nhat Pham
2026-02-12 17:58   ` Nhat Pham
2026-02-13  2:43   ` YoungJun Park [this message]
2026-02-12 18:33 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-02-13  3:58   ` YoungJun Park
2026-02-21  3:47     ` Shakeel Butt
2026-02-21  6:07       ` Chris Li
2026-02-21 17:44         ` Shakeel Butt
2026-02-22  1:16           ` YoungJun Park
2026-02-21 14:30       ` YoungJun Park

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