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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"Christoph Lameter (Ampere)" <cl@gentwo.org>,
	dennis@kernel.org, urezki@gmail.com,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
	Yang Shi <yang@os.amperecomputing.com>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Improve this_cpu_ops performance for ARM64 (and potentially other architectures)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2026 18:43:12 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aY4fQOgyx3meku3b@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aY4Ty6G6A3478_JS@arm.com>

More thoughts...

On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 05:54:19PM +0000, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2026 at 03:58:50PM -0800, Yang Shi wrote:
> > So we just use the local address for this_cpu_add/sub/inc/dec and so
> > on, which just manipulate a scalar counter.
> 
> I wonder how much overhead is caused by calling into the scheduler on
> preempt_enable(). It would be good to get some numbers for something
> like the patch below

In case it wasn't obvious, the patch messes up the scheduling, so I
don't propose it as such, only to get some idea of where the bottleneck
is. Maybe it could be made to work with some need_resched() checks.

> (also removing the preempt disabling for
> this_cpu_read() as I don't think it matters - a thread cannot
> distinguish whether it was preempted between TPIDR read and variable
> read or immediately after the variable read; we can't do this for writes
> as other threads may notice unexpected updates).

There's a theoretical case where even this_cpu_read() needs preemption
disabling, e.g.:

thread0:
	preempt_disable();
	this_cpu_write(var, unique_val);
	// check that no-one has seen unique_value;
	this_cpu_write(var, other_val);
	preempt_enable();

thread1:
	this_cpu_read(var);

thread1 is not supposed to see the unique_val but it would if it was
preempted in the middle of the per-cpu op and migrated to another CPU.

> Another wild hack could be to read the kernel instruction at
> (current_pt_regs()->pc - 4) in arch_irqentry_exit_need_resched() and
> return false if it's a read from TPIDR_EL1/2, together with removing the
> preempt disabling.

This one also breaks the kernel scheduling just like using
preempt_enable_no_resched(). It might be possible but in combination
with additional need_resched() checks.

-- 
Catalin


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-12 18:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-11 23:14 Yang Shi
2026-02-11 23:29 ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-11 23:39   ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2026-02-11 23:40     ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-12  0:05       ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2026-02-11 23:58   ` Yang Shi
2026-02-12 17:54     ` Catalin Marinas
2026-02-12 18:43       ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2026-02-13  0:23         ` Yang Shi
2026-02-12 18:45       ` Ryan Roberts
2026-02-12 19:36         ` Catalin Marinas
2026-02-12 21:12           ` Ryan Roberts
2026-02-16 10:37             ` Catalin Marinas
2026-02-18  8:59               ` Ryan Roberts
2026-02-12 18:41 ` Ryan Roberts
2026-02-12 18:55   ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2026-02-12 18:58     ` Ryan Roberts
2026-02-13 18:42   ` Yang Shi
2026-02-16 11:39     ` Catalin Marinas
2026-02-17 17:28       ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2026-02-18  9:18         ` Ryan Roberts

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