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From: Matthew Brost <matthew.brost@intel.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Thomas Hellström" <thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com>,
	intel-xe@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"Ralph Campbell" <rcampbell@nvidia.com>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@mellanox.com>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	"Leon Romanovsky" <leon@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, stable@vger.kernel.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/hmm: Fix a hmm_range_fault() livelock / starvation problem
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 13:01:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aX0cJGIU9NLt/OLW@lstrano-desk.jf.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260130123810.61dde600422a8fe01cff8296@linux-foundation.org>

On Fri, Jan 30, 2026 at 12:38:10PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 20:56:31 +0100 Thomas Hellström <thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > > > --- a/mm/hmm.c
> > > > +++ b/mm/hmm.c
> > > > @@ -674,6 +674,13 @@ int hmm_range_fault(struct hmm_range *range)
> > > >  			return -EBUSY;
> > > >  		ret = walk_page_range(mm, hmm_vma_walk.last,
> > > > range->end,
> > > >  				      &hmm_walk_ops,
> > > > &hmm_vma_walk);
> > > > +		/*
> > > > +		 * Conditionally reschedule to let other work
> > > > items get
> > > > +		 * a chance to unlock device-private pages whose
> > > > locks
> > > > +		 * we're spinning on.
> > > > +		 */
> > > > +		cond_resched();
> > > > +
> > > >  		/*
> > > >  		 * When -EBUSY is returned the loop restarts with
> > > >  		 * hmm_vma_walk.last set to an address that has
> > > > not been stored
> > > 
> > > If the process which is running hmm_range_fault() has
> > > SCHED_FIFO/SHCED_RR then cond_resched() doesn't work.  An explicit
> > > msleep() would be better?
> > 
> > Unfortunately hmm_range_fault() is typically called from a gpu
> > pagefault handler and it's crucial to get the gpu up and running again
> > as fast as possible.
> 
> Would a millisecond matter?  Regular old preemption will often cause
> longer delays.
> 

I think millisecond is too high. We are aiming to GPU page faults
serviced in 10-15us of CPU time (GPU copy time varies based on size of
fault / copy bus speed but still at most 200us).

Matt

> > Is there a way we could test for the cases where cond_resched() doesn't
> > work and in that case instead call sched_yield(), at least on -EBUSY
> > errors?
> 
> kernel-internal sched_yield() was taken away years ago and I don't
> think there's a replacement, particularly one which will cause a
> realtime-policy task to yield to a non-rt-policy one.
> 
> It's common for kernel code to forget that it could have realtime
> policy - we probably have potential lockups in various places.
> 
> I suggest you rerun your testcase with this patch using `chrt -r', see
> if my speculation is correct.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-30 21:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-30 14:45 Thomas Hellström
2026-01-30 18:00 ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-30 19:56   ` Thomas Hellström
2026-01-30 20:38     ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-30 21:01       ` Matthew Brost [this message]
2026-01-30 21:08         ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-31  0:59           ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-31  3:01   ` John Hubbard
2026-01-31 12:57     ` Thomas Hellström
2026-01-31 19:00       ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-31 21:42         ` John Hubbard
2026-02-01 19:24           ` Matthew Brost
2026-02-01 20:48             ` John Hubbard
2026-02-01 21:07               ` Matthew Brost
2026-02-02  0:10                 ` Alistair Popple
2026-02-02  9:30                   ` Thomas Hellström
2026-02-02 10:25                     ` Alistair Popple
2026-02-02 10:41                       ` Thomas Hellström
2026-02-02 11:22                         ` Alistair Popple
2026-02-02 11:44                           ` Thomas Hellström
2026-02-02 12:26                             ` Alistair Popple
2026-02-02 14:07                               ` Thomas Hellström
2026-02-02 23:13                                 ` Alistair Popple
2026-02-02  9:13           ` Thomas Hellström
2026-02-02 10:34             ` Alistair Popple
2026-02-02 10:51               ` Thomas Hellström
2026-02-02 11:28                 ` Alistair Popple
2026-02-02 22:28             ` John Hubbard
2026-02-03  9:31               ` Thomas Hellström
2026-02-04  1:13                 ` pincount vs refcount: " John Hubbard

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