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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: Akinobu Mita <akinobu.mita@gmail.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
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	hannes@cmpxchg.org, david@kernel.org, zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com,
	shakeel.butt@linux.dev, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com,
	Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, vbabka@suse.cz, rppt@kernel.org,
	surenb@google.com, ziy@nvidia.com, matthew.brost@intel.com,
	joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com, rakie.kim@sk.com, byungchul@sk.com,
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	bingjiao@google.com, jonathan.cameron@huawei.com,
	pratyush.brahma@oss.qualcomm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/3] mm/vmscan: don't demote if there is not enough free memory in the lower memory tier
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2026 12:49:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aWfXHKDzoQBsHxAp@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC5umyib=XmPkTvRT6eAsMx+WDx0NkSP9djh4xkhLJgwk_v8Mw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 14, 2026 at 09:51:28PM +0900, Akinobu Mita wrote:
> can_demote() is called from four places.
> I tried modifying the patch to change the behavior only when can_demote()
> is called from shrink_folio_list(), but the problem was not fixed
> (oom did not occur).
> 
> Similarly, changing the behavior of can_demote() when called from
> can_reclaim_anon_pages(), shrink_folio_list(), and can_age_anon_pages(),
> but not when called from get_swappiness(), did not fix the problem either
> (oom did not occur).
> 
> Conversely, changing the behavior only when called from get_swappiness(),
> but not changing the behavior of can_reclaim_anon_pages(),
> shrink_folio_list(), and can_age_anon_pages(), fixed the problem
> (oom did occur).
> 
> Therefore, it appears that the behavior of get_swappiness() is important
> in this issue.

"It appears that..." and the process of twiddling bits and observing
behavior does not strike confidence in this solution.

Can you take another go at trying to define the bad interaction more
explicitly? I worry that we're modifying vmscan.c behavior to induce an
OOM for a corner case - but it will also cause another regression.

(I am guilty of doing this)

~Gregory


      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-01-14 17:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-13  8:14 [PATCH v4 0/3] mm: fix oom-killer not being invoked when demotion is enabled Akinobu Mita
2026-01-13  8:14 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] mm: memory-tiers, numa_emu: enable to create memory tiers using fake numa nodes Akinobu Mita
2026-01-13  9:30   ` Pratyush Brahma
2026-01-13  8:14 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] mm: numa_emu: add document for NUMA emulation Akinobu Mita
2026-01-13  9:32   ` Pratyush Brahma
2026-01-13  8:14 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] mm/vmscan: don't demote if there is not enough free memory in the lower memory tier Akinobu Mita
2026-01-13 13:40   ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-14 12:51     ` Akinobu Mita
2026-01-14 13:40       ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-14 17:49       ` Gregory Price [this message]

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