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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/24] vfs: require filesystems to explicitly opt-in to lease support
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2026 05:06:07 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aWeUv2UUJ_NdgozS@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ4uxhMjitW_DC9WK9eku51gE1Ft+ENhD=qq3uehwrHO=RByA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 14, 2026 at 10:34:04AM +0100, Amir Goldstein wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2026 at 7:28 AM Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2026 at 12:06:42PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > > Fair point, but it's not that hard to conceive of a situation where
> > > someone inadvertantly exports cgroupfs or some similar filesystem:
> >
> > Sure.  But how is this worse than accidentally exporting private data
> > or any other misconfiguration?
> >
> 
> My POV is that it is less about security (as your question implies), and
> more about correctness.

I was just replying to Jeff.

> The special thing about NFS export, as opposed to, say, ksmbd, is
> open by file handle, IOW, the export_operations.
> 
> I perceive this as a very strange and undesired situation when NFS
> file handles do not behave as persistent file handles.

That is not just very strange, but actually broken (discounting the
obscure volatile file handles features not implemented in Linux NFS
and NFSD).  And the export ops always worked under the assumption
that these file handles are indeed persistent.  If they're not we
do have a problem.

> 
> cgroupfs, pidfs, nsfs, all gained open_by_handle_at() capability for
> a known reason, which was NOT NFS export.
> 
> If the author of open_by_handle_at() support (i.e. brauner) does not
> wish to imply that those fs should be exported to NFS, why object?

Because "want to export" is a stupid category.

OTOH "NFS exporting doesn't actually properly work because someone
overloaded export_ops with different semantics" is a valid category.

> We could have the opt-in/out of NFS export fixes per EXPORT_OP_
> flags and we could even think of allowing admin to make this decision
> per vfsmount (e.g. for cgroupfs).
> 
> In any case, I fail to see how objecting to the possibility of NFS export
> opt-out serves anyone.

You're still think of it the wrong way.  If we do have file systems
that break the original exportfs semantics we need to fix that, and
something like a "stable handles" flag will work well for that.  But
a totally arbitrary "is exportable" flag is total nonsense.



  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-14 13:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-08 17:12 Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 17:12 ` [PATCH 01/24] fs: add setlease to generic_ro_fops and read-only filesystem directory operations Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 17:26   ` Jan Kara
2026-01-08 17:12 ` [PATCH 02/24] affs: add setlease file operation Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 21:26   ` David Sterba
2026-01-08 17:12 ` [PATCH 03/24] btrfs: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 21:26   ` David Sterba
2026-01-08 17:12 ` [PATCH 04/24] erofs: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-10  1:47   ` Chao Yu
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 05/24] ext2: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 17:28   ` Jan Kara
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 06/24] ext4: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 17:28   ` Jan Kara
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 07/24] exfat: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 22:47   ` Namjae Jeon
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 08/24] f2fs: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-10  1:47   ` Chao Yu
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 09/24] fat: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 18:12   ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 10/24] gfs2: add a " Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 11/24] jffs2: add " Jeff Layton
2026-01-09  8:49   ` Richard Weinberger
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 12/24] jfs: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 19:46   ` Dave Kleikamp
2026-01-09  7:40   ` Richard Weinberger
2026-01-09  8:48     ` Richard Weinberger
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 13/24] nilfs2: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-09  5:26   ` Ryusuke Konishi
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 14/24] ntfs3: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 15/24] ocfs2: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 17:29   ` Jan Kara
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 16/24] orangefs: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 17/24] overlayfs: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 18/24] squashfs: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 19/24] tmpfs: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 17:31   ` Jan Kara
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 20/24] udf: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 17:29   ` Jan Kara
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 21/24] ufs: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 22/24] xfs: " Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 23/24] filelock: default to returning -EINVAL when ->setlease operation is NULL Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 17:34   ` Jan Kara
2026-01-08 17:13 ` [PATCH 24/24] fs: remove simple_nosetlease() Jeff Layton
2026-01-08 17:34   ` Jan Kara
2026-01-08 17:40 ` [PATCH 00/24] vfs: require filesystems to explicitly opt-in to lease support Jan Kara
2026-01-08 18:56   ` Jeff Layton
2026-01-09  9:26     ` Jan Kara
2026-01-09 18:52     ` Amir Goldstein
2026-01-12  9:49       ` Christian Brauner
2026-01-12 13:34       ` Jeff Layton
2026-01-12 14:31         ` Chuck Lever
2026-01-12 14:50           ` Jeff Layton
2026-01-13  8:54             ` Christian Brauner
2026-01-13 11:03               ` Amir Goldstein
2026-01-13 11:45               ` Jeff Layton
2026-01-13 14:03                 ` Chuck Lever
2026-01-13 14:27                   ` Jeff Layton
2026-01-13 14:31                     ` Chuck Lever
2026-01-13 15:00                       ` Jeff Layton
2026-01-13 14:54               ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 17:06                 ` Jeff Layton
2026-01-14  6:28                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-14  9:34                     ` Amir Goldstein
2026-01-14 13:06                       ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2026-01-14 13:41                         ` Jeff Layton
2026-01-14 14:14                           ` Amir Goldstein
2026-01-14 14:52                             ` Chuck Lever
2026-01-14 15:05                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-14 15:26                           ` Christian Brauner
2026-01-14 15:20                         ` Christian Brauner
2026-01-14 13:39                       ` David Laight
2026-01-09  6:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-09  8:03 ` Al Viro
2026-01-12  9:56 ` Christian Brauner

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