From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: Li Zhe <lizhe.67@bytedance.com>
Cc: david.laight.linux@gmail.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
ankur.a.arora@oracle.com, dan.j.williams@intel.com,
dave@stgolabs.net, david@kernel.org, fvdl@google.com,
joao.m.martins@oracle.com, jonathan.cameron@huawei.com,
linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, mhocko@suse.com, mjguzik@gmail.com,
muchun.song@linux.dev, osalvador@suse.de, raghavendra.kt@amd.com,
wangzhou1@hisilicon.com, zhanjie9@hisilicon.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/8] Introduce a huge-page pre-zeroing mechanism
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 13:38:07 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aW_Lj0q6swLVR8SY@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aW_G66HeWLbyiPHs@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>
On Tue, Jan 20, 2026 at 01:18:19PM -0500, Gregory Price wrote:
> This is a trivial example, but it's unclear zero_on_free actually
> provides a benefit. You have to know ahead of time what the runtime
> behavior, pre-zeroed count, and allocation pattern (0->10->5->...) would
> be to determine whether there's an actual reduction in startup time.
>
> But just trivially, starting from the base case of no pages being
> zeroed, you're just injecting an additional zero(X) cost if program_a()
> consumes more hugepages than program_b().
>
> Long way of saying the shift from alloc to free seems heuristic-y and
> you need stronger analysis / better data to show this change is actually
> beneficial in the general case.
>
As an addendum to this: Maybe this is an indication that a global
switch (per-node sysfs entry) is not the best decision, and that maybe
there's a better way to accomplish this with a reduced scope.
hugetlb-only sysfs knob
- same issue as current proposal, but better placed
why would you only apply this on one node?
prctl thingy
- limits effects to just those opting into alloc-on-free
- probably still needs hugetlb-internal zeroed-pages tracking
but doesn't require the rest of the machinery
do it entirely in userland
- modify the software to zero before exit
- use MAP_UNINITIALIZED
- useful and simple if your hugetlb use case is homogenous
there's probably more oprtions
~Gregory
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-20 18:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-07 11:31 Li Zhe
2026-01-07 11:31 ` [PATCH v2 1/8] mm/hugetlb: add pre-zeroed framework Li Zhe
2026-01-07 11:31 ` [PATCH v2 2/8] mm/hugetlb: convert to prep_account_new_hugetlb_folio() Li Zhe
2026-01-07 11:31 ` [PATCH v2 3/8] mm/hugetlb: move the huge folio to the end of the list during enqueue Li Zhe
2026-01-07 11:31 ` [PATCH v2 4/8] mm/hugetlb: introduce per-node sysfs interface "zeroable_hugepages" Li Zhe
2026-01-07 11:31 ` [PATCH v2 5/8] mm/hugetlb: simplify function hugetlb_sysfs_add_hstate() Li Zhe
2026-01-07 11:31 ` [PATCH v2 6/8] mm/hugetlb: relocate the per-hstate struct kobject pointer Li Zhe
2026-01-07 11:31 ` [PATCH v2 7/8] mm/hugetlb: add epoll support for interface "zeroable_hugepages" Li Zhe
2026-01-07 11:31 ` [PATCH v2 8/8] mm/hugetlb: limit event generation frequency of function do_zero_free_notify() Li Zhe
2026-01-07 16:19 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] Introduce a huge-page pre-zeroing mechanism Andrew Morton
2026-01-12 11:25 ` Li Zhe
2026-01-09 6:05 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-12 11:27 ` Li Zhe
2026-01-12 19:52 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-13 6:37 ` Li Zhe
2026-01-13 10:15 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-13 12:41 ` Li Zhe
2026-01-14 10:41 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-14 11:36 ` Li Zhe
2026-01-14 11:55 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-14 12:11 ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-01-14 12:33 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-14 12:41 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-14 13:06 ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-01-14 17:21 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-15 9:36 ` Li Zhe
2026-01-15 11:08 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-15 11:57 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-01-15 17:08 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-15 20:16 ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-15 20:22 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-15 22:30 ` Ankur Arora
2026-01-20 6:27 ` Li Zhe
2026-01-20 9:47 ` David Laight
2026-01-20 10:39 ` Li Zhe
2026-01-20 18:18 ` Gregory Price
2026-01-20 18:38 ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-01-20 19:30 ` David Laight
2026-01-20 19:52 ` Gregory Price
2026-01-21 8:03 ` Li Zhe
2026-01-21 12:41 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-21 12:32 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-12 22:00 ` Ankur Arora
2026-01-13 6:39 ` Li Zhe
2026-01-12 22:01 ` Ankur Arora
2026-01-13 6:41 ` Li Zhe
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