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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 7/8] mm/zswap: compressed ram direct integration
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2026 18:46:07 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aWWHv-G6cZAiQZJY@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aWWEvAaUmpA_0ERP@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>

On Mon, Jan 12, 2026 at 06:33:16PM -0500, Gregory Price wrote:
> One of the assumptions you have in zswap is that there's some known
> REAL chunk of memory X-GB, and the compression ratio dictates that you
> get to cram more than X-GB of data in there.
> 
> This device flips that on its head.  It lies to the system and says
> there's X-GB, and you can only actually use a fraction of it in the
> worst case - and in the best case you use all of it.
> 
> So in that sense, zswap has "infinite upside" (if you're infinitely
> compressible), whereas this device has "limited upside" (node capacity).
> 
> That changes how you account for things entirely, and that's why
> entry->length always has to be PAGE_SIZE.  Even if the device can tell
> us the real size, i'm not sure how useful that is - you still have to
> charge for an entire `struct page`.
> 
> Time for a good long :think:
> 


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

now that i have written this out, I wonder if the answer here is for the
zswap_node controller (cxl driver or whatever) to detect high memory
usage and online a new memory block if there is additional capacity
available.

This would look like the swap file increasing in size dynamically,
which is *also* problematic, but it's at least in the same ballpark.

From a CXL perspective, this would look like a dynamic capacity device.

And the catch would be that we would need the opposite interface:

  zswap.c or cram.c would need an explicit evict interface to allow
  capacity to be offlined if the device needs to shrink the "fake"
  capacity in response to shrinking compression ratios.

Time for a much, much longer :think:

~Gregory


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-12 23:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-08 20:37 [RFC PATCH v3 0/8] mm,numa: N_PRIVATE node isolation for device-managed memory Gregory Price
2026-01-08 20:37 ` [RFC PATCH v3 1/8] numa,memory_hotplug: create N_PRIVATE (Private Nodes) Gregory Price
2026-01-08 20:37 ` [RFC PATCH v3 2/8] mm: constify oom_control, scan_control, and alloc_context nodemask Gregory Price
2026-01-08 20:37 ` [RFC PATCH v3 3/8] mm: restrict slub, compaction, and page_alloc to sysram Gregory Price
2026-01-08 20:37 ` [RFC PATCH v3 4/8] cpuset: introduce cpuset.mems.sysram Gregory Price
2026-01-12 17:56   ` Yury Norov
2026-01-08 20:37 ` [RFC PATCH v3 5/8] Documentation/admin-guide/cgroups: update docs for mems_allowed Gregory Price
2026-01-12 14:30   ` Michal Koutný
2026-01-12 15:25     ` Gregory Price
2026-01-08 20:37 ` [RFC PATCH v3 6/8] drivers/cxl/core/region: add private_region Gregory Price
2026-01-08 20:37 ` [RFC PATCH v3 7/8] mm/zswap: compressed ram direct integration Gregory Price
2026-01-09 16:00   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-01-09 17:03     ` Gregory Price
2026-01-09 21:40     ` Gregory Price
2026-01-12 21:13       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-01-12 23:33         ` Gregory Price
2026-01-12 23:46           ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-01-08 20:37 ` [RFC PATCH v3 8/8] drivers/cxl: add zswap private_region type Gregory Price
2026-01-12 11:12 ` [RFC PATCH v3 0/8] mm,numa: N_PRIVATE node isolation for device-managed memory Balbir Singh
2026-01-12 14:36   ` Gregory Price
2026-01-12 17:18     ` Yury Norov
2026-01-12 17:36       ` Gregory Price
2026-01-12 21:24       ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-12 21:57         ` Balbir Singh
2026-01-12 22:10           ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-12 22:54             ` Balbir Singh
2026-01-12 23:40               ` Gregory Price
2026-01-13  1:12                 ` Balbir Singh
2026-01-13  1:17                 ` dan.j.williams

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