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From: Matthew Brost <matthew.brost@intel.com>
To: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Mika Penttilä" <mpenttil@redhat.com>,
	"Francois Dugast" <francois.dugast@intel.com>,
	intel-xe@lists.freedesktop.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"Balbir Singh" <balbirs@nvidia.com>,
	"Alistair Popple" <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	"David Hildenbrand" <david@kernel.org>,
	"Oscar Salvador" <osalvador@suse.de>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/7] mm: Split device-private and coherent folios before freeing
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 11:08:09 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aWFSGc7MIUqVsilw@lstrano-desk.jf.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D9ED5F01-E758-4A89-87F2-ABFF5197231D@nvidia.com>

On Fri, Jan 09, 2026 at 01:53:33PM -0500, Zi Yan wrote:
> On 9 Jan 2026, at 13:26, Matthew Brost wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Jan 09, 2026 at 12:28:22PM -0500, Zi Yan wrote:
> >> On 9 Jan 2026, at 6:09, Mika Penttilä wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> On 1/9/26 10:54, Francois Dugast wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> From: Matthew Brost <matthew.brost@intel.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> Split device-private and coherent folios into individual pages before
> >>>> freeing so that any order folio can be formed upon the next use of the
> >>>> pages.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cc: Balbir Singh <balbirs@nvidia.com>
> >>>> Cc: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
> >>>> Cc: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
> >>>> Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>
> >>>> Cc: Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>
> >>>> Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
> >>>> Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org
> >>>> Cc: linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org
> >>>> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> >>>> Signed-off-by: Matthew Brost <matthew.brost@intel.com>
> >>>> Signed-off-by: Francois Dugast <francois.dugast@intel.com>
> >>>> ---
> >>>>  mm/memremap.c | 2 ++
> >>>>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)
> >>>>
> >>>> diff --git a/mm/memremap.c b/mm/memremap.c
> >>>> index 63c6ab4fdf08..7289cdd6862f 100644
> >>>> --- a/mm/memremap.c
> >>>> +++ b/mm/memremap.c
> >>>> @@ -453,6 +453,8 @@ void free_zone_device_folio(struct folio *folio)
> >>>>  	case MEMORY_DEVICE_COHERENT:
> >>>>  		if (WARN_ON_ONCE(!pgmap->ops || !pgmap->ops->folio_free))
> >>>>  			break;
> >>>> +
> >>>> +		folio_split_unref(folio);
> >>>>  		pgmap->ops->folio_free(folio);
> >>>>  		percpu_ref_put_many(&folio->pgmap->ref, nr);
> >>>>  		break;
> >>>
> >>> This breaks folio_free implementations like nouveau_dmem_folio_free
> >>> which checks the folio order and act upon that.
> >>> Maybe add an order parameter to folio_free or let the driver handle the split?
> >
> > 'let the driver handle the split?' - I had consisder this as an option.
> >
> >>
> >> Passing an order parameter might be better to avoid exposing core MM internals
> >> by asking drivers to undo compound pages.
> >>
> >
> > It looks like Nouveau tracks free folios and free pages—something Xe’s
> > device memory allocator (DRM Buddy) cannot do. I guess this answers my
> > earlier question of how Nouveau avoids hitting the same bug as Xe / GPU
> > SVM with respect to reusing folios. It appears Nouveau prefers not to
> > split the folio, so I’m leaning toward moving this call into the
> > driver’s folio_free function.
> 
> No, that creates asymmetric page handling and is error prone.
> 

I agree it is asymmetric and symmetric is likely better.

> In addition, looking at nouveau’s implementation in
> nouveau_dmem_page_alloc_locked(), it gets a folio from drm->dmem->free_folios,
> which is never split, and passes it to zone_device_folio_init(). This
> is wrong, since if the folio is large, it will go through prep_compound_page()
> again. The bug has not manifested because there is only order-9 large folios.
> Once mTHP support is added, how is nouveau going to allocate a order-4 folio
> from a free order-9 folio? Maintain a per-order free folio list and
> reimplement a buddy allocator? Nevertheless, nouveau’s implementation

The way Nouveau handles memory allocations here looks wrong to me—it
should probably use DRM Buddy and convert a block buddy to pages rather
than tracking a free folio list and free page list. But this is not my
driver.

> is wrong by calling prep_compound_page() on a folio (already compound page).
>

I don’t disagree that this implementation is questionable.

So what’s the suggestion here—add folio order to folio_free just to
accommodate Nouveau’s rather odd memory allocation algorithm? That
doesn’t seem right to me either.

Matt
 
> Best Regards,
> Yan, Zi


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-09 19:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20260109085605.443316-1-francois.dugast@intel.com>
2026-01-09  8:54 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] mm: Add folio_split_unref helper Francois Dugast
2026-01-09 13:19   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-09 13:26     ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-09 14:30       ` Zi Yan
2026-01-09 15:11         ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-09 18:38           ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-09 18:37     ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-09 18:41       ` Zi Yan
2026-01-09 18:54         ` Francois Dugast
2026-01-09 18:43       ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-09 19:22         ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-09 19:26           ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-01-09  8:54 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] mm: Split device-private and coherent folios before freeing Francois Dugast
2026-01-09 11:09   ` Mika Penttilä
2026-01-09 17:28     ` Zi Yan
2026-01-09 18:26       ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-09 18:53         ` Zi Yan
2026-01-09 19:08           ` Matthew Brost [this message]
2026-01-09 19:23             ` Zi Yan
2026-01-09 20:03               ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-09 20:15                 ` Zi Yan
2026-01-09 21:34                   ` Balbir Singh
2026-01-09 21:43                     ` Zi Yan
2026-01-09 22:11                       ` Balbir Singh
2026-01-09 22:14                         ` Zi Yan
2026-01-09 22:36                           ` Balbir Singh
2026-01-09 23:15                             ` Matthew Brost

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