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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>, Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	kernel-team@meta.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>,
	Frank van der Linden <fvdl@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 02/14] mm/sparse: Check memmap alignment
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 21:48:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aWF3xg-72SV4tmLk@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2ace6fc2-6891-4d6c-98de-c027da03d516@kernel.org>

On Thu, Jan 08, 2026 at 12:08:35AM +0100, David Hildenbrand (Red Hat) wrote:
> > > "Then we make page->compound_head point to the dynamically allocated memdesc
> > > rather than the first page. Then we can transition to the above layout. "
> > 
> 
> Sorry for the late reply, it's been a bit crazy over here.
> 
> > I am not sure I understand how it is going to work.
> > 
> 
> I don't recall all the details that Willy shared over the last years while
> working on folios, but I will try to answer as best as I can from the top of
> my head. (there are plenty of resources on the list, on the web, in his
> presentations etc.).
> 
> > 32-byte layout indicates that flags will stay in the statically
> > allocated part, but most (all?) flags are in the head page and we would
> > need a way to redirect from tail to head in the statically allocated
> > pages.
> 
> When working with folios we will never go through the head page flags.
> That's why Willy has incrementally converted most folio code that worked on
> pages to work on folios.

A little more detail here:

 - Zone/Node/Section stay in page->flags and are replicated to
   folio->flags
 - HWPoison stays in page->flags
 - Reserved stays in page->flags
 - AnonExclusive stays in page->flags
 - Writeback/Referenced/Uptodate/Dirty/LRU/Active/Workingset/Owner1/
   Owner2/Reclaim/Swapbacked/Unevictable/Dropbehind/MLocked/Young/Idle
   all exist only in folio->flags
 - Head/Private/Private2 all go away
 - Locked & Waiters are ... complicated.  I'll elaborate if there's
   demand.
 - I haven't put any effort into analyzing the Xen flags.
 - HasHWPoisoned/LargeRmappable/PartiallyMapped all move to folio->flags

> When the program was called "2025" I considered it very ambitious :) Now I
> consider it ambitious. I think Willy already shared early versions of the
> "struct slab" split and the "struct ptdesc" split recently on the list.

ptdesc, yes.  Slab is still in progress.

> For quite some time there will be a magical config option that will switch
> between both layouts. I'd assume that things will get more complicated if we
> suddenly have a "compound_head/folio" pointer and a "compound_info" pointer
> at the same time.

What I'm hoping to get to is a point where calling compound_head() on
a page which is part of a folio is a BUG.  You should only be calling
page_folio() on a page which is part of a folio -- because there's nothing
useful to find in the head page.  So compound_head (or compound_info) can
share space with page->memdesc.  For now I've actually put page->memdesc
adjacent to page->compound_head, for no reason that I can recall.

I had thought that calling page_folio() on a page that's not part of
a folio would also be a BUG(), but now I think it's better to quietly
return NULL.  That's based on my experience working with slab and ptdesc.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-01-09 21:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-18 15:09 [PATCHv2 00/14] Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 01/14] mm: Move MAX_FOLIO_ORDER definition to mmzone.h Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 02/14] mm/sparse: Check memmap alignment Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  8:34   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-22 14:02     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22 14:18       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-22 14:52         ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22 14:59           ` Muchun Song
2025-12-22 14:55         ` Muchun Song
2025-12-23  9:38           ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-23 11:26             ` Muchun Song
2025-12-24 14:13             ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-07 23:08               ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-08 12:32                 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-08 13:30                   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-09  9:40                     ` Muchun Song
2026-01-09 15:24                   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-09 21:48                 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2025-12-22 14:49       ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 03/14] mm: Change the interface of prep_compound_tail() Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  2:55   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 04/14] mm: Rename the 'compound_head' field in the 'struct page' to 'compound_info' Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  3:00   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 05/14] mm: Move set/clear_compound_head() next to compound_head() Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  3:06   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 06/14] mm: Rework compound_head() for power-of-2 sizeof(struct page) Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  3:20   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-22 14:03     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-23  8:37       ` Muchun Song
2025-12-22  7:57   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-22  9:45     ` Muchun Song
2025-12-22 14:49       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 07/14] mm: Make page_zonenum() use head page Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 08/14] mm/hugetlb: Refactor code around vmemmap_walk Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  5:54   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-22 15:00     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22 15:11       ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 09/14] mm/hugetlb: Remove fake head pages Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 10/14] mm: Drop fake head checks Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  5:56   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 11/14] hugetlb: Remove VMEMMAP_SYNCHRONIZE_RCU Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  6:00   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 12/14] mm/hugetlb: Remove hugetlb_optimize_vmemmap_key static key Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  6:03   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 13/14] mm: Remove the branch from compound_head() Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  6:30   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 14/14] hugetlb: Update vmemmap_dedup.rst Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  6:20   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 22:18 ` [PATCHv2 00/14] Eliminate fake head pages from vmemmap optimization Kiryl Shutsemau

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