From: Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>
To: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
Cc: Qi Zheng <qi.zheng@linux.dev>,
hannes@cmpxchg.org, hughd@google.com, mhocko@suse.com,
roman.gushchin@linux.dev, muchun.song@linux.dev,
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Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 08/30] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in get_mem_cgroup_from_folio()
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2026 17:53:58 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aW3xJi_lmH51v2ky@hyeyoo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <qdfq2vxdma4qnt7pyfvuiyiib6ffuv46jyqsfgab643ihzttb6@h4hodwsqkmom>
On Sat, Jan 17, 2026 at 04:31:10PM -0800, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2026 at 07:32:35PM +0800, Qi Zheng wrote:
> > From: Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>
> >
> > In the near future, a folio will no longer pin its corresponding
> > memory cgroup. To ensure safety, it will only be appropriate to
> > hold the rcu read lock or acquire a reference to the memory cgroup
> > returned by folio_memcg(), thereby preventing it from being released.
> >
> > In the current patch, the rcu read lock is employed to safeguard
> > against the release of the memory cgroup in get_mem_cgroup_from_folio().
> >
> > This serves as a preparatory measure for the reparenting of the
> > LRU pages.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>
> > Reviewed-by: Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>
> > ---
> > mm/memcontrol.c | 10 +++++++---
> > 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/mm/memcontrol.c b/mm/memcontrol.c
> > index 982c9f5cf72cb..0458fc2e810ff 100644
> > --- a/mm/memcontrol.c
> > +++ b/mm/memcontrol.c
> > @@ -991,14 +991,18 @@ struct mem_cgroup *get_mem_cgroup_from_current(void)
> > */
> > struct mem_cgroup *get_mem_cgroup_from_folio(struct folio *folio)
> > {
> > - struct mem_cgroup *memcg = folio_memcg(folio);
> > + struct mem_cgroup *memcg;
> >
> > if (mem_cgroup_disabled())
> > return NULL;
> >
> > + if (!folio_memcg_charged(folio))
> > + return root_mem_cgroup;
> > +
> > rcu_read_lock();
> > - if (!memcg || WARN_ON_ONCE(!css_tryget(&memcg->css)))
> > - memcg = root_mem_cgroup;
> > + do {
> > + memcg = folio_memcg(folio);
> > + } while (unlikely(!css_tryget(&memcg->css)));
>
> I went back to [1] where AI raised the following concern which I want to
> address:
>
> > If css_tryget() fails (e.g. refcount is 0), this loop spins indefinitely
> > with the RCU read lock held. Is it guaranteed that folio_memcg() will
> > return a different, alive memcg in subsequent iterations?
>
> Will css_tryget() ever fail for the memcg returned by folio_memcg()?
> Let's suppose memcg of a given folio is being offlined. The objcg
> reparenting happens in memcg_reparent_objcgs() which is called in
> offline_css() chain and we know that the offline context holds a
> reference on the css being offlined (see css_killed_work_fn()).
>
> Also let's suppose the offline process has the last reference on the
> memcg's css. Now we have following two scenarios:
>
> Scenario 1:
>
> get_mem_cgroup_from_folio() css_killed_work_fn()
> memcg = folio_memcg(folio) offline_css(css)
> memcg_reparent_objcgs()
> css_tryget(memcg)
> css_put(css)
>
> In the above case css_tryget() will not fail.
>
>
> Scenario 2:
>
> get_mem_cgroup_from_folio() css_killed_work_fn()
> memcg = folio_memcg(folio) offline_css(css)
> memcg_reparent_objcgs()
> css_put(css) // last reference
> css_tryget(memcg)
> // retry on failure
>
> In the above case the context in get_mem_cgroup_from_folio() will retry
> and will get different memcg during reparenting happening before the
> last css_put(css).
>
> So, I think we are good and AI is mistaken.
>
> Folks, please check if I missed something.
LGTM and I think we're good.
> > If the folio is isolated (e.g. via migrate_misplaced_folio()), it might be
> > missed by reparenting logic that iterates LRU lists.
>
> LRU isolation will not impact reparenting logic, so we can discount this
> as well.
>
> > In that case, the
> > folio would continue pointing to the dying memcg, leading to a hard lockup.
> >
> > Also, folio_memcg() calls __folio_memcg(), which reads folio->memcg_data
> > without READ_ONCE().
>
> Oh I think I know why AI is confused. It is because it is looking at
> folio->memcg i.e. state with this patch only and not the state after the
> series. In the current state the folio holds the reference on memcg, so
> css_tryget() will never fail.
Makes sense!
> > Since this loop waits for memcg_data to be updated
> > by another CPU (reparenting), could the compiler hoist the load out of
> > the loop, preventing the update from being seen?
> >
> > Finally, the previous code fell back to root_mem_cgroup on failure. Is it
> > safe to remove that fallback? If css_tryget() fails unexpectedly, hanging
> > seems more severe than the previous behavior of warning and falling back.
>
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/7ia4ldikrbsj.fsf@castle.c.googlers.com/
--
Cheers,
Harry / Hyeonggon
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-19 8:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-14 11:26 [PATCH v3 00/30] Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:26 ` [PATCH v3 01/30] mm: memcontrol: remove dead code of checking parent memory cgroup Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:26 ` [PATCH v3 02/30] mm: workingset: use folio_lruvec() in workingset_refault() Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:26 ` [PATCH v3 03/30] mm: rename unlock_page_lruvec_irq and its variants Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:26 ` [PATCH v3 04/30] mm: vmscan: prepare for the refactoring the move_folios_to_lru() Qi Zheng
2026-01-16 9:10 ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-16 9:14 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-14 11:26 ` [PATCH v3 05/30] mm: vmscan: refactor move_folios_to_lru() Qi Zheng
2026-01-16 11:31 ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-14 11:26 ` [PATCH v3 06/30] mm: memcontrol: allocate object cgroup for non-kmem case Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 07/30] mm: memcontrol: return root object cgroup for root memory cgroup Qi Zheng
2026-01-16 12:53 ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 08/30] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in get_mem_cgroup_from_folio() Qi Zheng
2026-01-17 20:00 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-18 0:31 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-19 3:20 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-19 8:53 ` Harry Yoo [this message]
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 09/30] buffer: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_alloc_buffers() Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 10/30] writeback: prevent memory cgroup release in writeback module Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 11/30] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in count_memcg_folio_events() Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 12/30] mm: page_io: prevent memory cgroup release in page_io module Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 13/30] mm: migrate: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_migrate_mapping() Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 14/30] mm: mglru: prevent memory cgroup release in mglru Qi Zheng
2026-01-17 22:46 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-19 9:25 ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 15/30] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in mem_cgroup_swap_full() Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 16/30] mm: workingset: prevent memory cgroup release in lru_gen_eviction() Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 17/30] mm: thp: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_split_queue_lock{_irqsave}() Qi Zheng
2026-01-16 9:15 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 18/30] mm: zswap: prevent memory cgroup release in zswap_compress() Qi Zheng
2026-01-16 9:18 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-20 7:47 ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 19/30] mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_refault() Qi Zheng
2026-01-17 23:02 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 20/30] mm: zswap: prevent lruvec release in zswap_folio_swapin() Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 21/30] mm: swap: prevent lruvec release in lru_gen_clear_refs() Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 22/30] mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_activation() Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 23/30] mm: do not open-code lruvec lock Qi Zheng
2026-01-15 9:26 ` Baoquan He
2026-01-15 9:31 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-16 9:20 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-17 23:08 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-20 7:58 ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 24/30] mm: memcontrol: prepare for reparenting LRU pages for " Qi Zheng
2026-01-16 9:43 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-16 9:50 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-18 0:44 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-19 3:44 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-20 15:54 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-18 0:46 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-20 8:21 ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-20 11:51 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-20 12:50 ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 25/30] mm: vmscan: prepare for reparenting traditional LRU folios Qi Zheng
2026-01-16 9:49 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-18 1:11 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-19 3:24 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 26/30] mm: vmscan: prepare for reparenting MGLRU folios Qi Zheng
2026-01-15 10:44 ` [PATCH v3 26/30 fix] mm: mglru: do not call update_lru_size() during reparenting Qi Zheng
2026-01-15 17:46 ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-21 3:53 ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-21 4:19 ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-21 11:21 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-18 3:25 ` [PATCH v3 26/30] mm: vmscan: prepare for reparenting MGLRU folios Shakeel Butt
2026-01-18 3:29 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-19 3:39 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 27/30] mm: memcontrol: refactor memcg_reparent_objcgs() Qi Zheng
2026-01-18 2:31 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-22 9:04 ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-22 9:13 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 28/30] mm: memcontrol: prepare for reparenting state_local Qi Zheng
2026-01-15 10:41 ` [PATCH v3 28/30 fix 1/2] mm: memcontrol: fix lruvec_stats->state_local reparenting Qi Zheng
2026-01-15 10:41 ` [PATCH v3 28/30 fix 2/2] mm: memcontrol: change state_locals to atomic_long_t type Qi Zheng
2026-01-15 17:47 ` [PATCH v3 28/30 fix 1/2] mm: memcontrol: fix lruvec_stats->state_local reparenting Andrew Morton
2026-01-16 3:27 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-18 3:22 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-19 3:36 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-20 7:19 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-20 18:47 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-21 3:43 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-21 8:20 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-21 11:25 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-18 3:20 ` [PATCH v3 28/30] mm: memcontrol: prepare for reparenting state_local Shakeel Butt
2026-01-19 3:34 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-29 2:10 ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-29 8:50 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-29 12:23 ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-30 7:22 ` Qi Zheng
2026-02-02 3:15 ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 29/30] mm: memcontrol: eliminate the problem of dying memory cgroup for LRU folios Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 11:32 ` [PATCH v3 30/30] mm: lru: add VM_WARN_ON_ONCE_FOLIO to lru maintenance helpers Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 17:07 ` [syzbot ci] Re: Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup syzbot ci
2026-01-15 3:47 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-14 17:58 ` [PATCH v3 00/30] " Andrew Morton
2026-01-15 3:52 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-15 5:59 ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-15 6:05 ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-15 12:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-16 0:43 ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-16 8:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-16 12:25 ` Michal Hocko
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