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From: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Boris Brezillon" <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>,
	"Robin Murphy" <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Joerg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	"Lorenzo Stoakes" <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	"Asahi Lina" <lina+kernel@asahilina.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] io: add io_pgtable abstraction
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2025 14:38:51 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aUVje_QZvJ9rjedp@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251219140557.GH31492@ziepe.ca>

On Fri, Dec 19, 2025 at 10:05:57AM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2025 at 10:50:52AM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> > +// For now, we do not provide the ability to flush the TLB via the built-in callback mechanism.
> > +// Instead, the `map_pages` function requires the caller to explicitly flush the TLB before the
> > +// pgtable is used to access the newly created range.
> > +//
> > +// This is done because the initial user of this abstraction may perform many calls to `map_pages`
> > +// in a single batched operation, and wishes to only flush the TLB once after performing the entire
> > +// batch of mappings. These callbacks would flush too often for that use-case.
> > +//
> > +// Support for flushing the TLB in these callbacks may be added in the future.
> > +static NOOP_FLUSH_OPS: bindings::iommu_flush_ops = bindings::iommu_flush_ops {
> > +    tlb_flush_all: Some(rust_tlb_flush_all_noop),
> > +    tlb_flush_walk: Some(rust_tlb_flush_walk_noop),
> > +    tlb_add_page: None,
> > +};
> 
> This comment seems quite off..
> 
> Usually you don't flush on map, you flush on unmap. The TLB should be
> empty upon mapping and not need flushing - except for the rarer
> special cases of clearing the walk cache which cannot be detected any
> other way than using these callbacks. Doing a big flush on map to deal
> with the walk cache would be worse than implementing these callbacks.
> 
> The flush on unmap, at least for ARM style invalidations, needs these
> callbacks because they provide required information. If the actual HW
> does not use an ARM style invalidation system then this page table
> code is not optimal for it.

You should not assume that the way I worded something implies that the
GPU hardware does something weird. It's more likely that I just got
something wrong.

It looks like panthor / tyr flush the range that was modified after both
map and unmap operations.

Alice


  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-19 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-19 10:50 Alice Ryhl
2025-12-19 11:04 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-12-19 11:43   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-12-19 11:50     ` Daniel Almeida
2025-12-19 11:56       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-12-19 14:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-12-19 14:38   ` Alice Ryhl [this message]
2025-12-19 15:11     ` Boris Brezillon
2025-12-19 15:14       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-12-19 15:27         ` Boris Brezillon
2025-12-19 17:32           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-12-21  0:06 ` kernel test robot

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