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From: "Vishal Moola (Oracle)" <vishal.moola@gmail.com>
To: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/vmalloc: request large order pages from buddy allocator
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2025 14:28:37 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aTn0FZig5a_DpTJg@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <66919a28-bc81-49c9-b68f-dd7c73395a0d@arm.com>

On Wed, Dec 10, 2025 at 01:21:22PM +0000, Ryan Roberts wrote:
> Hi Vishal,
> 
> 
> On 21/10/2025 20:44, Vishal Moola (Oracle) wrote:
> > Sometimes, vm_area_alloc_pages() will want many pages from the buddy
> > allocator. Rather than making requests to the buddy allocator for at
> > most 100 pages at a time, we can eagerly request large order pages a
> > smaller number of times.
> > 
> > We still split the large order pages down to order-0 as the rest of the
> > vmalloc code (and some callers) depend on it. We still defer to the bulk
> > allocator and fallback path in case of order-0 pages or failure.
> > 
> > Running 1000 iterations of allocations on a small 4GB system finds:
> > 
> > 1000 2mb allocations:
> > 	[Baseline]			[This patch]
> > 	real    46.310s			real    0m34.582
> > 	user    0.001s			user    0.006s
> > 	sys     46.058s			sys     0m34.365s
> > 
> > 10000 200kb allocations:
> > 	[Baseline]			[This patch]
> > 	real    56.104s			real    0m43.696
> > 	user    0.001s			user    0.003s
> > 	sys     55.375s			sys     0m42.995s
> 
> I'm seeing some big vmalloc micro benchmark regressions on arm64, for which 
> bisect is pointing to this patch.

Ulad had similar findings/concerns[1]. Tldr: The numbers you are seeing
are expected for how the test module is currently written.

> The tests are all originally from the vmalloc_test module. Note that (R) 
> indicates a statistically significant regression and (I) indicates a 
> statistically improvement.
> 
> p is number of pages in the allocation, h is huge. So it looks like the 
> regressions are all coming for the non-huge case, where we want to split to 
> order-0.
> 
> +---------------------------------+----------------------------------------------------------+------------+------------------------+
> | Benchmark                       | Result Class                                             |     6-18-0 |   6-18-0-gc2f2b01b74be |
> +=================================+==========================================================+============+========================+
> | micromm/vmalloc                 | fix_align_alloc_test: p:1, h:0, l:500000 (usec)          |  514126.58 |            (R) -42.20% |
> |                                 | fix_size_alloc_test: p:1, h:0, l:500000 (usec)           |  320458.33 |                 -0.02% |
> |                                 | fix_size_alloc_test: p:4, h:0, l:500000 (usec)           |  399680.33 |            (R) -23.43% |
> |                                 | fix_size_alloc_test: p:16, h:0, l:500000 (usec)          |  788723.25 |            (R) -23.66% |
> |                                 | fix_size_alloc_test: p:16, h:1, l:500000 (usec)          |  979839.58 |                 -1.05% |
> |                                 | fix_size_alloc_test: p:64, h:0, l:100000 (usec)          |  481454.58 |            (R) -23.99% |
> |                                 | fix_size_alloc_test: p:64, h:1, l:100000 (usec)          |  615924.00 |              (I) 2.56% |
> |                                 | fix_size_alloc_test: p:256, h:0, l:100000 (usec)         | 1799224.08 |            (R) -23.28% |
> |                                 | fix_size_alloc_test: p:256, h:1, l:100000 (usec)         | 2313859.25 |              (I) 3.43% |
> |                                 | fix_size_alloc_test: p:512, h:0, l:100000 (usec)         | 3541904.75 |            (R) -23.86% |
> |                                 | fix_size_alloc_test: p:512, h:1, l:100000 (usec)         | 3597577.25 |             (R) -2.97% |
> |                                 | full_fit_alloc_test: p:1, h:0, l:500000 (usec)           |  487021.83 |              (I) 4.95% |
> |                                 | kvfree_rcu_1_arg_vmalloc_test: p:1, h:0, l:500000 (usec) |  344466.33 |                 -0.65% |
> |                                 | kvfree_rcu_2_arg_vmalloc_test: p:1, h:0, l:500000 (usec) |  342484.25 |                 -1.58% |
> |                                 | long_busy_list_alloc_test: p:1, h:0, l:500000 (usec)     | 4034901.17 |            (R) -25.35% |
> |                                 | pcpu_alloc_test: p:1, h:0, l:500000 (usec)               |  195973.42 |                  0.57% |
> |                                 | random_size_align_alloc_test: p:1, h:0, l:500000 (usec)  |  643489.33 |            (R) -47.63% |
> |                                 | random_size_alloc_test: p:1, h:0, l:500000 (usec)        | 2029261.33 |            (R) -27.88% |
> |                                 | vm_map_ram_test: p:1, h:0, l:500000 (usec)               |   83557.08 |                 -0.22% |
> +---------------------------------+----------------------------------------------------------+------------+------------------------+
>
> I have a couple of thoughts from looking at the patch:
> 
>  - Perhaps split_page() is the bulk of the cost? Previously for this case we 
>    were allocating order-0 so there was no split to do. For h=1, split would 
>    have already been called so that would explain why no regression for that 
>    case?

For h=1, this patch shouldn't change (as long as nr_pages <
arch_vmap_{pte,pmd}_supported_shift). This is why you don't see regressions
in those cases.

>  - I guess we are bypassing the pcpu cache? Could this be having an effect? Dev 
>    (cc'ed) did some similar investigation a while back and saw increased vmalloc 
>    latencies when bypassing pcpu cache.

I'd say this is more a case of this test module targeting the pcpu
cache. The module allocates then frees one at a time, which promotes
reusing pcpu pages. [1] Has some numbers after modifying the test such
that all the allocations are made before freeing any.

>  - Philosophically is allocating physically contiguous memory when it is not 
>    strictly needed the right thing to do? Large physically contiguous blocks are 
>    a scarce resource so we don't want to waste them. Although I guess it could 
>    be argued that this actually preserves the contiguous blocks because the 
>    lifetime of all the pages is tied together. Anyway, I doubt this is the 

This was the primary incentive for this patch :)

>    reason for the slow down, since those benchmarks are not under memory 
>    pressure.
>
> Anyway, it would be good to resolve the performance regressions if we can.

Imo, the appropriate way to address these is to modify the test module
as seen in [1].

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/aPJ6lLf24TfW_1n7@milan/


  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-10 22:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-21 19:44 Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2025-10-21 21:24 ` Andrew Morton
2025-10-22 14:33   ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-10-22 17:50 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-12-10 13:21 ` Ryan Roberts
2025-12-10 22:28   ` Vishal Moola (Oracle) [this message]
2025-12-11 15:28     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-12-11 15:35       ` Dev Jain
2025-12-11 15:38         ` Dev Jain
2025-12-11 15:39       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-12-11 15:43         ` Dev Jain
2025-12-11 16:24           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-12-12  3:55             ` Dev Jain
2025-12-11 20:41       ` Andrew Morton

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