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From: Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Jiaqi Yan <jiaqiyan@google.com>,
	nao.horiguchi@gmail.com, linmiaohe@huawei.com, ziy@nvidia.com,
	david@redhat.com, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com,
	william.roche@oracle.com, tony.luck@intel.com,
	wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com, jane.chu@oracle.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, osalvador@suse.de,
	muchun.song@linux.dev, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/2] mm/huge_memory: introduce uniform_split_unmapped_folio_to_zero_order
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2025 12:15:23 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aRqTLmJBuvBcLYMx@hyeyoo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aRm6shtKizyrq_TA@casper.infradead.org>

On Sun, Nov 16, 2025 at 11:51:14AM +0000, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2025 at 01:47:20AM +0000, Jiaqi Yan wrote:
> > Introduce uniform_split_unmapped_folio_to_zero_order, a wrapper
> > to the existing __split_unmapped_folio. Caller can use it to
> > uniformly split an unmapped high-order folio into 0-order folios.
> 
> Please don't make this function exist.  I appreciate what you're trying
> to do, but let's try to do it differently?
> 
> When we have struct folio separately allocated from struct page,
> splitting a folio will mean allocating new struct folios for every
> new folio created.  I anticipate an order-0 folio will be about 80 or
> 96 bytes.  So if we create 512 * 512 folios in a single go, that'll be
> an allocation of 20MB.
>
> This is why I asked Zi Yan to create the asymmetrical folio split, so we
> only end up creating log() of this.  In the case of a single hwpoison page
> in an order-18 hugetlb, that'd be 19 allocations totallying 1520 bytes.

Oh god, I completely overlooked this aspect when discussing this with Jiaqi.
Thanks for raising this concern.

> But since we're only doing this on free, we won't need to do folio
> allocations at all; we'll just be able to release the good pages to the
> page allocator and sequester the hwpoison pages.

[+Cc PAGE ALLOCATOR folks]

So we need an interface to free only healthy portion of a hwpoison folio.

I think a proper approach to this should be to "free a hwpoison folio
just like freeing a normal folio via folio_put() or free_frozen_pages(),
then the page allocator will add only healthy pages to the freelist and
isolate the hwpoison pages". Oherwise we'll end up open coding a lot,
which is too fragile.

In fact, that can be done by teaching free_pages_prepare() how to handle
the case where one or more subpages of a folio are hwpoison pages.

How this should be implemented in the page allocator in memdescs world?
Hmm, we'll want to do some kind of non-uniform split, without actually
splitting the folio but allocating struct buddy?

But... for now I think hiding this complexity inside the page allocator
is good enough. For now this would just mean splitting a frozen page
inside the page allocator (probably non-uniform?). We can later re-implement
this to provide better support for memdescs.

-- 
Cheers,
Harry / Hyeonggon


  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-17  3:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-16  1:47 [PATCH v1 0/2] Only free healthy pages in high-order HWPoison folio Jiaqi Yan
2025-11-16  1:47 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] mm/huge_memory: introduce uniform_split_unmapped_folio_to_zero_order Jiaqi Yan
2025-11-16 11:51   ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-11-17  3:15     ` Harry Yoo [this message]
2025-11-17  3:21       ` Zi Yan
2025-11-17  3:39         ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-17 13:43       ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-11-18  6:24         ` Jiaqi Yan
2025-11-18 10:19           ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-18 19:26             ` Jiaqi Yan
2025-11-18 21:54               ` Zi Yan
2025-11-19 12:37                 ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-19 19:21                   ` Jiaqi Yan
2025-11-19 20:35                     ` Zi Yan
2025-11-16 22:38   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-17 17:12   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-16  1:47 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] mm/memory-failure: avoid free HWPoison high-order folio Jiaqi Yan
2025-11-16  2:10   ` Zi Yan
2025-11-18  5:12     ` Jiaqi Yan
2025-11-17 17:15   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-18  5:17     ` Jiaqi Yan

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