From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
Nikita Kalyazin <kalyazin@amazon.com>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
James Houghton <jthoughton@google.com>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
Ujwal Kundur <ujwal.kundur@gmail.com>,
Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/4] mm/userfaultfd: modulize memory types
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2025 15:55:44 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aQPCwFZqNd_ZlZ0S@x1.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aQO3Zko6Qrk7O96u@x1.local>
On Thu, Oct 30, 2025 at 03:07:18PM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
> > Patches are here:
> >
> > https://git.infradead.org/?p=users/jedix/linux-maple.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/modularized_mem
>
> Great! Finally we have something solid to discuss on top.
>
> Yes, I'm extremely happy to see whatever code there is, I'm happy to review
> it. I'm happy to see it rolling. If it is better, we can adopt it.
So here is a summary of why I think my proposal is better:
- Much less code
I think this is crystal clear.. I'm pasting once more in this summary
email on what your proposal touches:
fs/userfaultfd.c | 14 +--
include/linux/hugetlb.h | 21 ----
include/linux/mm.h | 11 ++
include/linux/shmem_fs.h | 14 ---
include/linux/userfaultfd_k.h | 108 ++++++++++------
mm/hugetlb.c | 359 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--------
mm/shmem.c | 245 ++++++++++++++++++++++++------------
mm/userfaultfd.c | 869 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---------------------------------------------------------------------
8 files changed, 962 insertions(+), 679 deletions(-)
- Much less future code
The new proposal needs at least 6 APIs to implement even minor fault..
One of the API needs to be implemented with uffd_info* which further
includes 10+ fields to process. It means we'll have a bunch of
duplicated code in the future if new things pop up, so it's not only
about what we merge.
- Much less exported functions to modules
My solution, after exposing vm_uffd_ops, doesn't need to export any
function.
Your solution needs to export a lot of new functions to modules. I
didn't pay a lot of attention but the list should at least include these
10 functions:
void uffd_complete_register(struct vm_area_struct *vma);
unsigned int uffd_page_shift(struct vm_area_struct *vma);
int uffd_writeprotect(struct uffd_info *info);
ssize_t uffd_failed_do_unlock(struct uffd_info *info);
int uffd_atomic_pte_copy(struct folio *folio, unsigned long src_addr);
unsigned long mfill_size(struct vm_area_struct *vma)
int mfill_atomic_pte_poison(struct uffd_info *info);
int mfill_atomic_pte_copy(struct uffd_info *info);
int mfill_atomic_pte_zeropage(struct uffd_info *info);
ssize_t uffd_get_dst_pmd(struct vm_area_struct *dst_vma, unsigned long dst_addr,pmd_t **dst_pmd);
It's simply unnecessary.
- Less error prone
At least to support minor fault, my solution only needs one hook fetching
page cache, then set the CONTINUE ioctl in the supported_ioctls.
- Safer
Your code allows to operate on pmd* in a module??? That's too risky and
mm can explode! Isn't it?
- Do not build new codes on top of hugetlbfs
AFAICT, more than half of your solution's API is trying to service
hugetlbfs. IMHO that's the wrong way to go. I explained to you multiple
times. We should either keep hugetlbfs alone, or having hugetlbfs adopt
mm APIs instead. We shouldn't build any new code only trying to service
hugetlbfsv1 but nobody else. We shouldn't introduce new mm API only to
service hugetlbfs.
- Much less risk of breaking things
I'm pretty sure my code introduce zero or very little bug, if there's
one, I'll fix it, but really, likely not, because the changes are
straightforward.
Your changes are huge. I would not be surprised you break things here
and there. I hope at least you will be around fixing them when it
happens, even if we're not sure the benefits of most of the changes.
--
Peter Xu
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-30 19:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-14 23:14 Peter Xu
2025-10-14 23:14 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] mm: Introduce vm_uffd_ops API Peter Xu
2025-10-20 14:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-14 23:14 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] mm/shmem: Support " Peter Xu
2025-10-20 14:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-14 23:15 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] mm/hugetlb: " Peter Xu
2025-10-20 14:19 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-14 23:15 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] mm: Apply vm_uffd_ops API to core mm Peter Xu
2025-10-20 13:34 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] mm/userfaultfd: modulize memory types David Hildenbrand
2025-10-20 14:12 ` Peter Xu
2025-10-21 15:51 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-10-21 16:28 ` Peter Xu
2025-10-30 17:13 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-10-30 18:00 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-10-30 19:07 ` Peter Xu
2025-10-30 19:55 ` Peter Xu [this message]
2025-10-30 20:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-30 21:13 ` Peter Xu
2025-10-30 21:27 ` Peter
2025-11-03 20:01 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-03 20:46 ` Peter Xu
2025-11-03 21:27 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-03 22:49 ` Peter Xu
2025-11-04 7:10 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-04 14:18 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-04 7:21 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-04 12:23 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-06 16:32 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-11-09 7:11 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-10 16:34 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-11-11 10:05 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-10-30 20:52 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-10-30 21:33 ` Peter Xu
2025-10-30 20:24 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-10-30 21:26 ` Peter Xu
2025-11-03 16:11 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-03 18:43 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-11-05 21:23 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-11-06 16:16 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-11-07 10:16 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-07 16:55 ` Liam R. Howlett
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=aQPCwFZqNd_ZlZ0S@x1.local \
--to=peterx@redhat.com \
--cc=Liam.Howlett@oracle.com \
--cc=aarcange@redhat.com \
--cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
--cc=axelrasmussen@google.com \
--cc=david@redhat.com \
--cc=hughd@google.com \
--cc=jthoughton@google.com \
--cc=kalyazin@amazon.com \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
--cc=lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com \
--cc=mhocko@suse.com \
--cc=muchun.song@linux.dev \
--cc=osalvador@suse.de \
--cc=rppt@kernel.org \
--cc=surenb@google.com \
--cc=ujwal.kundur@gmail.com \
--cc=vbabka@suse.cz \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox