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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	JP Kobryn <inwardvessel@gmail.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"open list:CONTROL GROUP (CGROUP)" <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
	bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/23] bpf: initial support for attaching struct ops to cgroups
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2025 14:03:51 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aQKrZ2bQan8PnAQA@slm.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQJp9FkPDA7oo-+yZ0SKFbE6w7FzARosLgzLmH74Vv+dow@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 04:53:07PM -0700, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
...
> > - How would recursion work with private stacks? Aren't those attached to
> >   each BPF program?
> 
> yes. private stack is per prog, but why does it matter?
> I'm not suggesting that the same prog to be attached at different
> levels of the cgroup hierarchy, because such configuration
> will indeed trigger recursion prevention logic (with or without private
> stack).
> But having one logical sched-ext prog set to manage tasks
> in container A and in container B makes sense as a use case to me
> where A and B are different cgroups.
> DSQs can be cgroup scoped too.

I don't know. Maybe, but this is kinda specific and I don't see how this
would be useful in practical sense. Have nothing against using the
mechanism. I can still enforce the same rules from scx side. It just looks
unnecessarily over-designed. Maybe consistency with other BPF progs
justifies it.

> > If there is one struct_ops per cgroup, the oom kill kfunc can
> >   look that up and then verify that the struct_ops has authority over the
> >   target process. Multiple attachments can work too but that'd require
> >   iterating all attachments, right?
> 
> Are you talking about bpf_oom_kill_process() kfunc from these patch set?
> I don't think it needs any changes. oom context is passed into prog
> and passed along to kfunc. Doesn't matter the cgroup origin.

Oh, if there are other mechanisms to enforce boundaries, it's not a problem,
but I can almost guarantee as the framework grows, there will be needs for
kfuncs to identify and verify the callers and handlers communicating with
each other along the hierarchy requiring recursive calls.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-30  0:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-27 23:17 [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 01/23] bpf: move bpf_struct_ops_link into bpf.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 02/23] bpf: initial support for attaching struct ops to cgroups Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 15:57     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 18:01   ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 20:26     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 17:22     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 18:03       ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 18:19         ` Amery Hung
2025-10-30 19:06           ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 21:34             ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:42               ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30 23:14                 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  0:05                 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:19             ` bpf_st_ops and cgroups. Was: " Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 23:24               ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  3:03                 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31  6:14                 ` Song Liu
2025-10-31 11:35                   ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31 17:37                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 18:14   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 20:25     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 20:36       ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:18         ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:27           ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:37             ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:45               ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30  4:32                 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 16:13                   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 17:56                     ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:53           ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 22:43             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 22:53               ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 23:53                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30  0:03                   ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2025-10-30  0:16                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30  6:33                       ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-29 21:04   ` Song Liu
2025-10-30  0:43   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 03/23] bpf: mark struct oom_control's memcg field as TRUSTED_OR_NULL Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 04/23] mm: define mem_cgroup_get_from_ino() outside of CONFIG_SHRINKER_DEBUG Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  8:32   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 05/23] mm: declare memcg_page_state_output() in memcontrol.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  8:34   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 06/23] mm: introduce BPF struct ops for OOM handling Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:57   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 17:45   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:42     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 22:07       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 22:56         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 21:33   ` Song Liu
2025-10-28 23:24     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30  0:20   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30  5:57   ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-30 14:26     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  9:02   ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:36     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-03 19:00       ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04  1:45         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04  8:18           ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04 18:14             ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04 19:22               ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 07/23] mm: introduce bpf_oom_kill_process() bpf kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  9:05   ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:09     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 08/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to deal with memcg pointers Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:10     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:12       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:03         ` Chris Mason
2025-10-28 18:32           ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:42   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-28 18:12     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 09/23] mm: introduce bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup() BPF kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 10/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to access memcg statistics and events Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:16     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  9:08   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-31  9:31 ` [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Michal Hocko
2025-10-31 16:48   ` Lance Yang
2025-11-02 20:53   ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-03 18:18     ` Michal Hocko

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