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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Jiayuan Chen <jiayuan.chen@linux.dev>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	Yuanchu Xie <yuanchu@google.com>, Wei Xu <weixugc@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] mm/vmscan: Add retry logic for cgroups with memory.low in kswapd
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2025 14:22:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aQ3yhmsT2NHeNwLi@tiehlicka> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <db4d9e73e6a70033da561ed88aef32c1ebe411dd@linux.dev>

Sorry for late reply.

On Mon 20-10-25 10:11:23, Jiayuan Chen wrote:
[...]
> To provide more context about our specific setup:
> 
> 1. The memory.low values set on host pods are actually quite large,
>    some pods are set to 10GB, others to 20GB, etc.
> 2. Since most pods have memory limits configured, each time kswapd
>    is woken up, if a pod's memory usage hasn't exceeded its own
>    memory.low, its memory won't be reclaimed.
> 3. When applications start up, rapidly consume memory, or experience
>    network traffic bursts, the kernel reaches steal_suitable_fallback(),
>    which sets watermark_boost and subsequently wakes kswapd.
> 4. In the core logic of kswapd thread (balance_pgdat()), when reclaim is
>    triggered by watermark_boost, the maximum priority is 10. Higher priority
>    values mean less aggressive LRU scanning, which can result in no pages
>    being reclaimed during a single scan cycle:
> 
> if (nr_boost_reclaim && sc.priority == DEF_PRIORITY - 2)
>     raise_priority = false;
> 
> 5. This eventually causes pgdat->kswapd_failures to continuously accumulate,
>    exceeding MAX_RECLAIM_RETRIES, and consequently kswapd stops working.
>    At this point, the system's available memory is still significantly above
>    the high watermark—it's inappropriate for kswapd to stop under these
>    conditions.
> 
> The final observable issue is that a brief period of rapid memory allocation
> causes kswapd to stop running, ultimately triggering direct reclaim and
> making the applications unresponsive.

This to me sounds like something to be addressed in the watermark
boosting code. I do not think we should be breaching low limit for that
(opportunistic) reclaim.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-07 13:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-14  8:18 Jiayuan Chen
2025-10-14  9:33 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-14 12:56   ` Jiayuan Chen
2025-10-16 14:49     ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-16 15:10       ` Jiayuan Chen
2025-10-16 18:43         ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-20 10:11           ` Jiayuan Chen
2025-11-07 13:22             ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2025-11-08  0:09               ` Shakeel Butt

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