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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Dmitry Ilvokhin <d@ilvokhin.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: shmem/tmpfs hugepage defaults config choice
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2025 13:57:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aPtpt4hYMuJnwnOO@tiehlicka> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aPtg1vUnpkaK1Ce5@shell.ilvokhin.com>

On Fri 24-10-25 11:19:50, Dmitry Ilvokhin wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2025 at 09:38:53AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Thu 23-10-25 18:12:02, Dmitry Ilvokhin wrote:
> > > Allow to override defaults for shemem and tmpfs at config time. This is
> > > consistent with how transparent hugepages can be configured.
> > > 
> > > Same results can be achieved with the existing
> > > 'transparent_hugepage_shmem' and 'transparent_hugepage_tmpfs' settings
> > > in the kernel command line, but it is more convenient to define basic
> > > settings at config time instead of changing kernel command line later.
> > 
> > Being consistent is usually nice but you are not telling us _who_ is
> > going to benefit from this. Increasing the config space is not really
> > free. So please focus on Why do we need it rather than it is consistent
> > argument.
> 
> Thanks for the feedback, Michal, totally make sense to me, I should have
> expand on this point in the initial commit message.
> 
> Primary motivation for adding config option is to enable policy
> enforcement at build time. In large-scale production environments
> (Meta's for example), the kernel configuration is often maintained
> centrally close to the kernel code itself and owned by the kernel
> engineers, while boot parameters are managed independently (e.g. by
> provisioning systems). In such setups, the kernel build defines the
> supported and expected behavior in a single place, but there is no
> reliable or uniform control over the kernel command line options.
> 
> A build-time default allows kernel integrators to enforce a predictable
> hugepage policy for shmem/tmpfs on a base layer, ensuring reproducible
> behavior and avoiding configuration drift caused by possible boot-time
> differences.
> 
> In short, primary benefit is mostly operational: it provides a way to
> codify preferred policy in the kernel configuration, which is versioned,
> reviewed, and tested as part of the kernel build process, rather than
> depending on potentially variable boot parameters.

Please expand the changelog with this explanation. Thanks!

> I hope possible operational benefits outweigh downsides from increasing
> the config space. Please, let me know if this argument sounds
> reasonable to you, I'll rephrase commit message for v2 to include this
> reasoning.

Yes, this is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.

With this information added, feel free to add
Acked-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-24 11:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-23 18:12 Dmitry Ilvokhin
2025-10-23 21:26 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-10-24  1:40 ` Baolin Wang
2025-10-24  7:38 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-24 11:19   ` Dmitry Ilvokhin
2025-10-24 11:57     ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2025-10-26  4:29       ` Andrew Morton
2025-10-24 20:35     ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-10-27 16:23       ` Dmitry Ilvokhin
2025-10-27 16:26         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-26 12:12     ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-27 15:43       ` Dmitry Ilvokhin
2025-10-24 19:54 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-24 20:27 ` Pedro Falcato
2025-10-27 15:00   ` Dmitry Ilvokhin

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