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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: Jonathan Cameron <jonathan.cameron@huawei.com>
Cc: Yiannis Nikolakopoulos <yiannis.nikolakop@gmail.com>,
	Wei Xu <weixugc@google.com>, David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Bharata B Rao <bharata@amd.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
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	kinseyho@google.com, joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com, yuanchu@google.com,
	balbirs@nvidia.com, alok.rathore@samsung.com,
	yiannis@zptcorp.com, Adam Manzanares <a.manzanares@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] mm: Hot page tracking and promotion infrastructure
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2025 10:59:01 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aPJZtQS4wJ1fkJq-@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251017153613.00004940@huawei.com>

On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 03:36:13PM +0100, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2025 10:15:57 -0400
> Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net> wrote:
> > 
> > Essentially the platform needs to allow a single device to expose
> > multiple numa nodes based on different expected performance.  From
> > those ranges.  Then software needs to program the HDM decoders
> > appropriately.
> 
> It's a bit 'fuzzy' to justify but maybe (for CXL) a CFWMS flag (so CEDT
> as you mention) to say this host memory region may be backed by
> compressed memory?
>
> Might be able to justify it from spec point of view by arguing that
> compression is a QoS related characteristic. Always possible host
> hardware will want to handle it differently before it even hits the
> bus even if it's just a case throttling writing differently.
>

That's a Consortium discussion to have (and I am not of the
consortium :P), but yeah you could do it that way.

More generally could have a "Not-for-general-consumption bit" instead
of specifically a compressed bit.  Maybe both a "No-Consume" and a
"Special Node" bit would be useful separately.

Of course then platforms need to be made to understand all these:

"No-Consume" -> force EFI_MEMORY_SP or leave it reserved
"Special Node" -> allocate its own PXM / Provide discrete CFMWS

Naming obviously non-instructive here, may as well call them Nancy and
Bob bits.

> That then ends up in it's own NUMA node.  Whether we take on the
> splitting CFMWS entries into multiple NUMA nodes depending on what
> backing devices end up in them is something we kicked into the long
> grass originally, but that can definitely be revisited.  That
> doesn't matter for initial support of compressed memory though if
> we can do it via a seperate CXL Fixed Memory Window Structure (CFMWS)
> in CEDT.
>

This is the way I would initially approach it tbh - but i'm also not a
hardware/firmware person, so i don't know exactly what bits a device
would set to tell BIOS/EFI "Hey, give this chunk its own CFMWS", or if
that lies solely with BIOS/EFI.

~Gregory


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-17 14:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-10 14:46 Bharata B Rao
2025-09-10 14:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/8] mm: migrate: Allow misplaced migration without VMA too Bharata B Rao
2025-09-10 14:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/8] migrate: implement migrate_misplaced_folios_batch Bharata B Rao
2025-10-03 10:36   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-03 11:02     ` Bharata B Rao
2025-09-10 14:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/8] mm: Hot page tracking and promotion Bharata B Rao
2025-10-03 11:17   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-06  4:13     ` Bharata B Rao
2025-09-10 14:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/8] x86: ibs: In-kernel IBS driver for memory access profiling Bharata B Rao
2025-10-03 12:19   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-06  4:28     ` Bharata B Rao
2025-09-10 14:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/8] x86: ibs: Enable IBS profiling for memory accesses Bharata B Rao
2025-10-03 12:22   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-09-10 14:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 6/8] mm: mglru: generalize page table walk Bharata B Rao
2025-09-10 14:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 7/8] mm: klruscand: use mglru scanning for page promotion Bharata B Rao
2025-10-03 12:30   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-09-10 14:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 8/8] mm: sched: Move hot page promotion from NUMAB=2 to kpromoted Bharata B Rao
2025-10-03 12:38   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-06  5:57     ` Bharata B Rao
2025-10-06  9:53       ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-09-10 15:39 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] mm: Hot page tracking and promotion infrastructure Matthew Wilcox
2025-09-10 16:01   ` Gregory Price
2025-09-16 19:45     ` David Rientjes
2025-09-16 22:02       ` Gregory Price
2025-09-17  0:30       ` Wei Xu
2025-09-17  3:20         ` Balbir Singh
2025-09-17  4:15           ` Bharata B Rao
2025-09-17 16:49         ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-09-25 14:03           ` Yiannis Nikolakopoulos
2025-09-25 14:41             ` Gregory Price
2025-10-16 11:48               ` Yiannis Nikolakopoulos
2025-09-25 15:00             ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-09-25 15:08               ` Gregory Price
2025-09-25 15:18                 ` Gregory Price
2025-09-25 15:24                 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-09-25 16:06                   ` Gregory Price
2025-09-25 17:23                     ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-09-25 19:02                       ` Gregory Price
2025-10-01  7:22                         ` Gregory Price
2025-10-17  9:53                           ` Yiannis Nikolakopoulos
2025-10-17 14:15                             ` Gregory Price
2025-10-17 14:36                               ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-17 14:59                                 ` Gregory Price [this message]
2025-10-20 14:05                                   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-21 18:52                                     ` Gregory Price
2025-10-21 18:57                                       ` Gregory Price
2025-10-22  9:09                                         ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-22 15:05                                           ` Gregory Price
2025-10-23 15:29                                             ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-16 16:16               ` Yiannis Nikolakopoulos
2025-10-20 14:23                 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-20 15:05                   ` Gregory Price
2025-10-08 17:59       ` Vinicius Petrucci

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