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From: "Vishal Moola (Oracle)" <vishal.moola@gmail.com>
To: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] mm/vmalloc: request large order pages from buddy allocator
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 12:02:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aPFBY_OtG0YTAaHv@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aPEubI4kWvzSC5RN@fedora>

On Thu, Oct 16, 2025 at 10:42:04AM -0700, Vishal Moola (Oracle) wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2025 at 06:12:36PM +0200, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 15, 2025 at 02:28:49AM -0700, Vishal Moola (Oracle) wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2025 at 04:56:42AM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2025 at 11:27:54AM -0700, Vishal Moola (Oracle) wrote:
> > > > > Running 1000 iterations of allocations on a small 4GB system finds:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1000 2mb allocations:
> > > > > 	[Baseline]			[This patch]
> > > > > 	real    46.310s			real    34.380s
> > > > > 	user    0.001s			user    0.008s
> > > > > 	sys     46.058s			sys     34.152s
> > > > > 
> > > > > 10000 200kb allocations:
> > > > > 	[Baseline]			[This patch]
> > > > > 	real    56.104s			real    43.946s
> > > > > 	user    0.001s			user    0.003s
> > > > > 	sys     55.375s			sys     43.259s
> > > > > 
> > > > > 10000 20kb allocations:
> > > > > 	[Baseline]			[This patch]
> > > > > 	real    0m8.438s		real    0m9.160s
> > > > > 	user    0m0.001s		user    0m0.002s
> > > > > 	sys     0m7.936s		sys     0m8.671s
> > > > 
> > > > I'd be more confident in the 20kB numbers if you'd done 10x more
> > > > iterations.
> > > 
> > > I actually ran my a number of times to mitigate the effects of possibly
> > > too small sample sizes, so I do have that number for you too:
> > > 
> > > [Baseline]			[This patch]
> > > real    1m28.119s		real    1m32.630s
> > > user    0m0.012s		user    0m0.011s
> > > sys     1m23.270s		sys     1m28.529s
> > > 
> > I have just had a look at performance figures of this patch. The test
> > case is 16K allocation by one single thread, 1 000 000 loops, 10 run:
> > 
> > sudo ./test_vmalloc.sh run_test_mask=1 nr_threads=1 nr_pages=4
> 
> The reason I didn't use this test module is the same concern Matthew
> brought up earlier about testing the PCP list rather than buddy
> allocator. The test module allocates, then frees over and over again,
> making it incredibly prone to reuse the pages over and over again.
> 
> > BOX: AMD Milan, 256 CPUs, 512GB of memory
> > 
> > # default 16K alloc
> > [   15.823704] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 955334 usec
> > [   17.751685] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 1158739 usec
> > [   19.443759] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 1016522 usec
> > [   21.035701] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 911381 usec
> > [   22.727688] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 987286 usec
> > [   24.199694] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 955112 usec
> > [   25.755675] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 926393 usec
> > [   27.355670] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 937875 usec
> > [   28.979671] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 1006985 usec
> > [   30.531674] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 941088 usec
> > 
> > # the patch 16K alloc
> > [   44.343380] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 2296849 usec
> > [   47.171290] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 2014678 usec
> > [   50.007258] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 2094184 usec
> > [   52.651141] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 1953046 usec
> > [   55.455089] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 2209423 usec
> > [   57.943153] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 1941747 usec
> > [   60.799043] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 2038504 usec
> > [   63.299007] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 1788588 usec
> > [   65.843011] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 2137055 usec
> > [   68.647031] Summary: fix_size_alloc_test passed: 1 failed: 0 xfailed: 0 repeat: 1 loops: 1000000 avg: 2193022 usec
> > 
> > 2X slower.
> > 
> > perf-cycles, same test but on 64 CPUs:
> > 
> > +   97.02%     0.13%  [test_vmalloc]    [k] fix_size_alloc_test
> > -   82.11%    82.10%  [kernel]          [k] native_queued_spin_lock_slowpath
> >      26.19% ret_from_fork_asm
> >         ret_from_fork
> >       - kthread
> >          - 25.96% test_func
> >             - fix_size_alloc_test
> >                - 23.49% __vmalloc_node_noprof
> >                   - __vmalloc_node_range_noprof
> >                      - 54.70% alloc_pages_noprof
> >                           alloc_pages_mpol
> >                           __alloc_frozen_pages_noprof
> >                           get_page_from_freelist
> >                           __rmqueue_pcplist
> >                      - 5.58% __get_vm_area_node
> >                           alloc_vmap_area
> >                - 20.54% vfree.part.0
> >                   - 20.43% __free_frozen_pages
> >                        free_frozen_page_commit
> >                        free_pcppages_bulk
> >                        _raw_spin_lock_irqsave
> >                        native_queued_spin_lock_slowpath
> >          - 0.77% worker_thread
> >             - process_one_work
> >                - 0.76% vmstat_update
> >                     refresh_cpu_vm_stats
> >                     decay_pcp_high
> >                     free_pcppages_bulk
> >                     _raw_spin_lock_irqsave
> >                     native_queued_spin_lock_slowpath
> > +   76.57%     0.16%  [kernel]          [k] _raw_spin_lock_irqsave
> > +   71.62%     0.00%  [kernel]          [k] __vmalloc_node_noprof
> > +   71.61%     0.58%  [kernel]          [k] __vmalloc_node_range_noprof
> > +   62.35%     0.06%  [kernel]          [k] alloc_pages_mpol
> > +   62.27%     0.17%  [kernel]          [k] __alloc_frozen_pages_noprof
> > +   62.20%     0.02%  [kernel]          [k] alloc_pages_noprof
> > +   62.10%     0.05%  [kernel]          [k] get_page_from_freelist
> > +   55.63%     0.19%  [kernel]          [k] __rmqueue_pcplist
> > +   32.11%     0.00%  [kernel]          [k] ret_from_fork_asm
> > +   32.11%     0.00%  [kernel]          [k] ret_from_fork
> > +   32.11%     0.00%  [kernel]          [k] kthread
> > 
> > I would say the bottle-neck is a page-allocator. It seems high-order
> > allocations are not good for it.

Ah also just took a closer look at this. I realize that you also did 16k
allocations (which is at most order-2), so it may not be a good
representation of high-order allocations either.

Plus that falls into the regression range I found that I detailed in
response to Matthew elsewhere (I've copy pasted it here for reference)

  I ended up finding that allocating sizes <=20k had noticeable
  regressions, while [20k, 90k] was approximately the same, and >= 90k had
  improvements (getting more and more noticeable as size grows in
  magnitude).

> > --
> > Uladzislau Rezki


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-16 19:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-14 18:27 Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2025-10-15  3:56 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-10-15  9:28   ` Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2025-10-16 16:12     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-10-16 17:42       ` Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2025-10-16 19:02         ` Vishal Moola (Oracle) [this message]
2025-10-17 16:15           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-10-17 17:19             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-10-20 18:23               ` Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2025-10-15  8:23 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-10-15 10:44   ` Vishal Moola (Oracle)
2025-10-15 12:42     ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-10-15 13:42       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-10-16  6:57         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-16 11:53           ` Uladzislau Rezki

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