linux-mm.kvack.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Shivank Garg <shivankg@amd.com>,
	jgowans@amazon.com, mhocko@suse.com, jack@suse.cz,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, david@redhat.com,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, aik@amd.com, papaluri@amd.com,
	kalyazin@amazon.com, peterx@redhat.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	clm@fb.com, ddutile@redhat.com, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	shdhiman@amd.com, gshan@redhat.com, ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com,
	shuah@kernel.org, roypat@amazon.co.uk, matthew.brost@intel.com,
	linux-coco@lists.linux.dev, zbestahu@gmail.com,
	lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org,
	ira.weiny@intel.com, dhavale@google.com, jmorris@namei.org,
	willy@infradead.org, hch@infradead.org, chao.gao@intel.com,
	tabba@google.com, ziy@nvidia.com, rientjes@google.com,
	yuzhao@google.com, xiang@kernel.org, nikunj@amd.com,
	serge@hallyn.com, amit@infradead.org, thomas.lendacky@amd.com,
	ashish.kalra@amd.com, chao.p.peng@intel.com,
	yan.y.zhao@intel.com, byungchul@sk.com, michael.day@amd.com,
	Neeraj.Upadhyay@amd.com, michael.roth@amd.com,
	bfoster@redhat.com, bharata@amd.com, josef@toxicpanda.com,
	Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, ackerleytng@google.com,
	dsterba@suse.com, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com, jaegeuk@kernel.org,
	dan.j.williams@intel.com, surenb@google.com, vbabka@suse.cz,
	paul@paul-moore.com, joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com, apopple@nvidia.com,
	brauner@kernel.org, quic_eberman@quicinc.com, rakie.kim@sk.com,
	cgzones@googlemail.com, pvorel@suse.cz,
	linux-erofs@lists.ozlabs.org, kent.overstreet@linux.dev,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, pankaj.gupta@amd.com,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, lihongbo22@huawei.com,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, vannapurve@google.com,
	suzuki.poulose@arm.com, rppt@kernel.org, jgg@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH kvm-next V11 6/7] KVM: guest_memfd: Enforce NUMA mempolicy using shared policy
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 10:17:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aPD-dbl5KWNSHu5R@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aPAkxp67-R9aQ8oN@google.com>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2025 at 03:48:38PM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2025, Gregory Price wrote:
> > why is __kvm_gmem_get_policy using
> > 	mpol_shared_policy_lookup()
> > instead of
> > 	get_vma_policy()
> 
> With the disclaimer that I haven't followed the gory details of this series super
> closely, my understanding is...
> 
> Because the VMA is a means to an end, and we want the policy to persist even if
> the VMA goes away.
> 

Ah, you know, now that i've taken a close look, I can see that you've
essentially modeled this after ipc/shm.c | mm/shmem.c pattern.

What's had me scratching my chin is that shm/shmem already has a
mempolicy pattern which ends up using folio_alloc_mpol() where the
relationship is

tmpfs: sb_info->mpol = default set by user
  create_file: inode inherits copy of sb_info->mpol
    fault:    mpol = shmem_get_pgoff_policy(info, index, order, &ilx);
             folio = folio_alloc_mpol(gfp, order, mpol, ilx, numa_node_id())

So this inode mempolicy in guest_memfd is really acting more as a the
filesystem-default mempolicy, which you want to survive even if userland
never maps the memory/unmaps the memory.

So the relationship is more like

guest_memfd -> creates fd/inode <- copies task mempolicy (if set)
  vm:  allocates memory via filemap_get_folio_mpol()
  userland mmap(fd):
  	creates new inode<->vma mapping
	vma->mpol = kvm_gmem_get_policy()
	calls to set/get_policy/mbind go through kvm_gmem 

This makes sense, sorry for the noise.  Have been tearing apart
mempolicy lately and I'm disliking the general odor coming off
it as a whole.  I had been poking at adding mempolicy support to
filemap and you got there first.  Overall I think there are still
other problems with mempolicy, but this all looks fine as-is.

~Gregory


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-10-16 14:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-27 17:52 [PATCH kvm-next V11 0/7] Add NUMA mempolicy support for KVM guest-memfd Shivank Garg
2025-08-27 17:52 ` [PATCH kvm-next V11 1/7] mm/filemap: Add NUMA mempolicy support to filemap_alloc_folio() Shivank Garg
2025-08-27 17:52 ` [PATCH kvm-next V11 2/7] mm/filemap: Extend __filemap_get_folio() to support NUMA memory policies Shivank Garg
2025-08-27 17:52 ` [PATCH kvm-next V11 3/7] mm/mempolicy: Export memory policy symbols Shivank Garg
2025-08-27 17:52 ` [PATCH kvm-next V11 4/7] KVM: guest_memfd: Use guest mem inodes instead of anonymous inodes Shivank Garg
2025-08-27 22:43   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-08-28  5:49     ` Garg, Shivank
2025-08-28 10:06     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-25  2:50     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-25 11:44       ` Garg, Shivank
2025-09-25 11:55         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-25 13:41           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-25 13:44             ` Fuad Tabba
2025-09-25 14:26             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-25 15:06               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-27 17:52 ` [PATCH kvm-next V11 5/7] KVM: guest_memfd: Add slab-allocated inode cache Shivank Garg
2025-09-25 14:05   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-25 14:17     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-27 17:52 ` [PATCH kvm-next V11 6/7] KVM: guest_memfd: Enforce NUMA mempolicy using shared policy Shivank Garg
2025-09-25 14:22   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-26 19:36     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-15 21:45       ` [f2fs-dev] " Gregory Price
2025-10-15 22:48         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-16 12:58           ` Garg, Shivank
2025-10-16 14:17           ` Gregory Price [this message]
2025-08-27 17:52 ` [PATCH kvm-next V11 7/7] KVM: guest_memfd: selftests: Add tests for mmap and NUMA policy support Shivank Garg
2025-09-25 21:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-25 23:03     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-25 23:04     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-25 23:12       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-26  7:32       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-26  7:31     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-26  7:37       ` Garg, Shivank
2025-08-28 12:44 ` [PATCH kvm-next V11 0/7] Add NUMA mempolicy support for KVM guest-memfd David Hildenbrand
2025-09-24 18:19 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-24 20:35   ` Kalra, Ashish
2025-10-15 18:02 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-20 15:52   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-12-09 17:18 ` [f2fs-dev] " patchwork-bot+f2fs

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=aPD-dbl5KWNSHu5R@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F \
    --to=gourry@gourry.net \
    --cc=Liam.Howlett@oracle.com \
    --cc=Neeraj.Upadhyay@amd.com \
    --cc=ackerleytng@google.com \
    --cc=aik@amd.com \
    --cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=amit@infradead.org \
    --cc=apopple@nvidia.com \
    --cc=ashish.kalra@amd.com \
    --cc=bfoster@redhat.com \
    --cc=bharata@amd.com \
    --cc=brauner@kernel.org \
    --cc=byungchul@sk.com \
    --cc=cgzones@googlemail.com \
    --cc=chao.gao@intel.com \
    --cc=chao.p.peng@intel.com \
    --cc=clm@fb.com \
    --cc=dan.j.williams@intel.com \
    --cc=david@redhat.com \
    --cc=ddutile@redhat.com \
    --cc=dhavale@google.com \
    --cc=dsterba@suse.com \
    --cc=gshan@redhat.com \
    --cc=hch@infradead.org \
    --cc=ira.weiny@intel.com \
    --cc=jack@suse.cz \
    --cc=jaegeuk@kernel.org \
    --cc=jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com \
    --cc=jgg@nvidia.com \
    --cc=jgowans@amazon.com \
    --cc=jmorris@namei.org \
    --cc=josef@toxicpanda.com \
    --cc=joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com \
    --cc=kalyazin@amazon.com \
    --cc=kent.overstreet@linux.dev \
    --cc=kvm@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=lihongbo22@huawei.com \
    --cc=linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-coco@lists.linux.dev \
    --cc=linux-erofs@lists.ozlabs.org \
    --cc=linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net \
    --cc=linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
    --cc=linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com \
    --cc=matthew.brost@intel.com \
    --cc=mhocko@suse.com \
    --cc=michael.day@amd.com \
    --cc=michael.roth@amd.com \
    --cc=nikunj@amd.com \
    --cc=pankaj.gupta@amd.com \
    --cc=papaluri@amd.com \
    --cc=paul@paul-moore.com \
    --cc=pbonzini@redhat.com \
    --cc=peterx@redhat.com \
    --cc=pvorel@suse.cz \
    --cc=quic_eberman@quicinc.com \
    --cc=rakie.kim@sk.com \
    --cc=rientjes@google.com \
    --cc=roypat@amazon.co.uk \
    --cc=rppt@kernel.org \
    --cc=seanjc@google.com \
    --cc=serge@hallyn.com \
    --cc=shdhiman@amd.com \
    --cc=shivankg@amd.com \
    --cc=shuah@kernel.org \
    --cc=surenb@google.com \
    --cc=suzuki.poulose@arm.com \
    --cc=tabba@google.com \
    --cc=thomas.lendacky@amd.com \
    --cc=vannapurve@google.com \
    --cc=vbabka@suse.cz \
    --cc=viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk \
    --cc=willy@infradead.org \
    --cc=xiang@kernel.org \
    --cc=yan.y.zhao@intel.com \
    --cc=ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com \
    --cc=yuzhao@google.com \
    --cc=zbestahu@gmail.com \
    --cc=ziy@nvidia.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox