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[96.255.20.138]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 6a1803df08f44-878bdf53343sm168514456d6.54.2025.10.08.10.05.31 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 08 Oct 2025 10:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2025 13:05:30 -0400 From: Gregory Price To: Frank van der Linden Cc: Michal Hocko , David Hildenbrand , linux-mm@kvack.org, corbet@lwn.net, muchun.song@linux.dev, osalvador@suse.de, akpm@linux-foundation.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org, laoar.shao@gmail.com, brauner@kernel.org, mclapinski@google.com, joel.granados@kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mel Gorman , Alexandru Moise <00moses.alexander00@gmail.com>, Mike Kravetz , David Rientjes Subject: Re: [PATCH] Revert "mm, hugetlb: remove hugepages_treat_as_movable sysctl" Message-ID: References: <20251007214412.3832340-1-gourry@gourry.net> <402170e6-c49f-4d28-a010-eb253fc2f923@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Server: rspam10 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 00D882001B X-Stat-Signature: w5e6b9w4i6eercqt4qjn8txfd7a16tdj X-Rspam-User: X-HE-Tag: 1759943133-595628 X-HE-Meta: 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 Bjil58vJ 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 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, Oct 08, 2025 at 09:08:01AM -0700, Frank van der Linden wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 7:59 AM Michal Hocko wrote: > > > > Maybe what we really want is to have a configurable zone rather than a > > very specific consumer of it instead. What do I mean by that? We clearly > > have physically (DMA, DMA32) and usability (NORMAL, MOVABLE) constrained > > zones. So rather than having a MOVABLE zone we can have a single zone > > $FOO_NAME zone with configurable attributes - like allocation > > constrains (kernel, user, movable, etc). Now that we can overlap zones ... > > I agree that having mutiple zone properties is probably the way to go. > Ah, I should also mention that I've been kicking around the idea of a ZONE_DEVICE allocator - but this blows up pretty quickly into maintaining an entirely separate page allocator for non-general-use memory, so i didn't want to start off with that until later. tl;dr: pgmap->alloc_folio(gfp, order) Then allow driver managed memory to "online" this capacity via ZONE_DEVICE and integrate *specific* areas of the kernel to use it - rather than everything. The device's driver is then responsible for implementing alloc_folio(gfp, order), and a zone_device_alloc() is responsible for hitting all the relevant devices for a compatible allocation. I alluded to this in the hotness/compression discussions - where there is some compressed memory you want to draw hard boundaries around how it is accessed/mapped, but want it available as a demotion source. https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/aNzWwz5OYLOjwjLv@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F/ Not sure if i'm just overcomplicating the discussion here, but if we're talking about new ZONEs then maybe it's worth considering something like this as well. ~Gregory