From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Barry Song <v-songbaohua@oppo.com>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@google.com>,
Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
Yunsheng Lin <linyunsheng@huawei.com>,
Huacai Zhou <zhouhuacai@oppo.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] mm: net: disable kswapd for high-order network buffer allocation
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2025 09:24:16 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aO36oKRR3UliRFR5@tiehlicka> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877bwyxvvl.fsf@linux.dev>
On Mon 13-10-25 15:46:54, Roman Gushchin wrote:
> Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz> writes:
>
> > On 10/13/25 12:16, Barry Song wrote:
[...]
> >> An alternative approach is to disable kswapd for these frequent
> >> allocations and provide best-effort order-3 service for both TX and RX paths,
> >> while removing the sysctl entirely.
>
> I'm not sure this is the right path long-term. There are significant
> benefits associated with using larger pages, so making the kernel fall
> back to order-0 pages easier and sooner feels wrong, tbh. Without kswapd
> trying to defragment memory, the only other option is to force tasks
> into the direct compaction and it's known to be problematic.
>
> I wonder if instead we should look into optimizing kswapd to be less
> power-hungry?
Exactly. If your specific needs prefer low power consumption to higher
order pages availability then we should have more flixible way to say
that than a hardcoded allocation mode. We should be able to tell
kswapd/kcompactd how much to try for those allocations.
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-14 7:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-13 10:16 Barry Song
2025-10-13 18:30 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-10-13 21:35 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-10-13 21:53 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-13 22:25 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-10-13 22:46 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-14 4:31 ` Barry Song
2025-10-14 7:24 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2025-10-14 7:26 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-14 8:08 ` Barry Song
2025-10-14 14:27 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-10-14 15:14 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-14 17:22 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-10-15 6:21 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-15 18:26 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-10-13 18:53 ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-14 3:58 ` Barry Song
2025-10-14 5:07 ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-14 6:43 ` Barry Song
2025-10-14 7:01 ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-14 8:17 ` Barry Song
2025-10-14 8:25 ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-13 21:56 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-10-14 4:09 ` Barry Song
2025-10-14 5:04 ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-14 8:58 ` Barry Song
2025-10-14 9:49 ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-14 10:19 ` Barry Song
2025-10-14 10:39 ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-14 20:17 ` Barry Song
2025-10-15 6:39 ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-15 7:35 ` Barry Song
2025-10-15 16:39 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-10-14 14:37 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-10-14 20:28 ` Barry Song
2025-10-15 18:13 ` Shakeel Butt
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