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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Barry Song <v-songbaohua@oppo.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Yunsheng Lin <linyunsheng@huawei.com>,
	Huacai Zhou <zhouhuacai@oppo.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] mm: net: disable kswapd for high-order network buffer allocation
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2025 09:24:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aO36oKRR3UliRFR5@tiehlicka> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877bwyxvvl.fsf@linux.dev>

On Mon 13-10-25 15:46:54, Roman Gushchin wrote:
> Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz> writes:
> 
> > On 10/13/25 12:16, Barry Song wrote:
[...]
> >> An alternative approach is to disable kswapd for these frequent
> >> allocations and provide best-effort order-3 service for both TX and RX paths,
> >> while removing the sysctl entirely.
> 
> I'm not sure this is the right path long-term. There are significant
> benefits associated with using larger pages, so making the kernel fall
> back to order-0 pages easier and sooner feels wrong, tbh. Without kswapd
> trying to defragment memory, the only other option is to force tasks
> into the direct compaction and it's known to be problematic.
> 
> I wonder if instead we should look into optimizing kswapd to be less
> power-hungry?

Exactly. If your specific needs prefer low power consumption to higher
order pages availability then we should have more flixible way to say
that than a hardcoded allocation mode. We should be able to tell
kswapd/kcompactd how much to try for those allocations.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-10-14  7:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-13 10:16 Barry Song
2025-10-13 18:30 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-10-13 21:35   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-10-13 21:53     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-13 22:25       ` Shakeel Butt
2025-10-13 22:46   ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-14  4:31     ` Barry Song
2025-10-14  7:24     ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2025-10-14  7:26   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-14  8:08     ` Barry Song
2025-10-14 14:27     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-10-14 15:14       ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-14 17:22         ` Shakeel Butt
2025-10-15  6:21           ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-15 18:26             ` Shakeel Butt
2025-10-13 18:53 ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-14  3:58   ` Barry Song
2025-10-14  5:07     ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-14  6:43       ` Barry Song
2025-10-14  7:01         ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-14  8:17           ` Barry Song
2025-10-14  8:25             ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-13 21:56 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-10-14  4:09   ` Barry Song
2025-10-14  5:04     ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-14  8:58       ` Barry Song
2025-10-14  9:49         ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-14 10:19           ` Barry Song
2025-10-14 10:39             ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-14 20:17               ` Barry Song
2025-10-15  6:39                 ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-15  7:35                   ` Barry Song
2025-10-15 16:39                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-10-14 14:37             ` Shakeel Butt
2025-10-14 20:28               ` Barry Song
2025-10-15 18:13                 ` Shakeel Butt

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