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The main invocation is: > >>> > >>> $ trace-cmd record -e "ipi_send_cpumask" -f "cpumask & CPUS{$ISOL_CPUS}" \ > >>> -e "ipi_send_cpu" -f "cpu & CPUS{$ISOL_CPUS}" \ > >>> rteval --onlyload --loads-cpulist=$HK_CPUS \ > >>> --hackbench-runlowmem=True --duration=$DURATION > >>> > >>> This only records IPIs sent to isolated CPUs, so any event there is interference > >>> (with a bit of fuzz at the start/end of the workload when spawning the > >>> processes). All tests were done with a duration of 6 hours. > >>> > >>> v6.17 > >>> o ~5400 IPIs received, so about ~200 interfering IPI per isolated CPU > >>> o About one interfering IPI just shy of every 2 minutes > >>> > >>> v6.17 + patches > >>> o Zilch! > >> > >> Nice. :) > >> > >> About performance, can we assume housekeeping CPUs are not affected by > >> the change (they don't seem to use the trick anyway) or do we want/need > >> to collect some numbers on them as well just in case (maybe more > >> throughput oriented)? > >> > > > > So for the text_poke IPI yes, because this is all done through > > context_tracking which doesn't imply housekeeping CPUs. > > > > For the TLB flush faff the HK CPUs get two extra writes per kernel entry > > cycle (one at entry and one at exit, for that stupid signal) which I expect > > to be noticeable but small-ish. I can definitely go and measure that. > > > > On that same Xeon E5-2699 system with the same tuning, the average time > taken for 300M gettid syscalls on housekeeping CPUs is > v6.17: 698.64ns ± 2.35ns > v6.17 + series: 702.60ns ± 3.43ns > > So noticeable (~.6% worse) but not horrible? Yeah, seems reasonable. Thanks for collecting numbers!