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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: Jonathan Cameron <jonathan.cameron@huawei.com>
Cc: Yiannis Nikolakopoulos <yiannis.nikolakop@gmail.com>,
	Wei Xu <weixugc@google.com>, David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Bharata B Rao <bharata@amd.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	mgorman@techsingularity.net, mingo@redhat.com,
	peterz@infradead.org, raghavendra.kt@amd.com, riel@surriel.com,
	sj@kernel.org, ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com, ziy@nvidia.com,
	dave@stgolabs.net, nifan.cxl@gmail.com, xuezhengchu@huawei.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@redhat.com, byungchul@sk.com,
	kinseyho@google.com, joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com, yuanchu@google.com,
	balbirs@nvidia.com, alok.rathore@samsung.com,
	yiannis@zptcorp.com, Adam Manzanares <a.manzanares@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] mm: Hot page tracking and promotion infrastructure
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2025 11:18:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aNVdRdXVzXSm_4SJ@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aNVbC2o8WlYKjEfL@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>

On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 11:08:59AM -0400, Gregory Price wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 04:00:58PM +0100, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> > Now, if we can put this into a special pool where it is acceptable to drop the writes
> > and return poison (so the application crashes) then that may be fine.
> > 
> > Or block writes.   Running compressed memory as read only CoW is one way to
> > avoid this problem.
> >
> 
> This is an interesting thought.  If you drop a write and return poison,
> can you instead handle the poison message as a fault and promote on
> fault?  Then you might just be able to turn this whole thing into a
> zswap backend that promotes on write.
>

I just realized this would require some mechanism to re-issue the write.

So yeah, you'd have to do this via some some heroic page table
enforcement.  The key observation here is that zswap hacks off all the
page table entries - rather than leave them present and readable.  In
this design, you want to leave them present and readable, and therefore
need some way to prevent entries from changing out from under you.

> Then you don't particular care about stronger isolation controls
> (except maybe keeping kernel memory out of those regions).
> 
> ~Gregory


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-25 15:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-10 14:46 Bharata B Rao
2025-09-10 14:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/8] mm: migrate: Allow misplaced migration without VMA too Bharata B Rao
2025-09-10 14:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/8] migrate: implement migrate_misplaced_folios_batch Bharata B Rao
2025-10-03 10:36   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-03 11:02     ` Bharata B Rao
2025-09-10 14:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/8] mm: Hot page tracking and promotion Bharata B Rao
2025-10-03 11:17   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-06  4:13     ` Bharata B Rao
2025-09-10 14:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/8] x86: ibs: In-kernel IBS driver for memory access profiling Bharata B Rao
2025-10-03 12:19   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-06  4:28     ` Bharata B Rao
2025-09-10 14:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/8] x86: ibs: Enable IBS profiling for memory accesses Bharata B Rao
2025-10-03 12:22   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-09-10 14:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 6/8] mm: mglru: generalize page table walk Bharata B Rao
2025-09-10 14:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 7/8] mm: klruscand: use mglru scanning for page promotion Bharata B Rao
2025-10-03 12:30   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-09-10 14:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 8/8] mm: sched: Move hot page promotion from NUMAB=2 to kpromoted Bharata B Rao
2025-10-03 12:38   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-06  5:57     ` Bharata B Rao
2025-10-06  9:53       ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-09-10 15:39 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] mm: Hot page tracking and promotion infrastructure Matthew Wilcox
2025-09-10 16:01   ` Gregory Price
2025-09-16 19:45     ` David Rientjes
2025-09-16 22:02       ` Gregory Price
2025-09-17  0:30       ` Wei Xu
2025-09-17  3:20         ` Balbir Singh
2025-09-17  4:15           ` Bharata B Rao
2025-09-17 16:49         ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-09-25 14:03           ` Yiannis Nikolakopoulos
2025-09-25 14:41             ` Gregory Price
2025-10-16 11:48               ` Yiannis Nikolakopoulos
2025-09-25 15:00             ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-09-25 15:08               ` Gregory Price
2025-09-25 15:18                 ` Gregory Price [this message]
2025-09-25 15:24                 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-09-25 16:06                   ` Gregory Price
2025-09-25 17:23                     ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-09-25 19:02                       ` Gregory Price
2025-10-01  7:22                         ` Gregory Price
2025-10-17  9:53                           ` Yiannis Nikolakopoulos
2025-10-17 14:15                             ` Gregory Price
2025-10-17 14:36                               ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-17 14:59                                 ` Gregory Price
2025-10-20 14:05                                   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-21 18:52                                     ` Gregory Price
2025-10-21 18:57                                       ` Gregory Price
2025-10-22  9:09                                         ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-22 15:05                                           ` Gregory Price
2025-10-23 15:29                                             ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-16 16:16               ` Yiannis Nikolakopoulos
2025-10-20 14:23                 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-10-20 15:05                   ` Gregory Price
2025-10-08 17:59       ` Vinicius Petrucci

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