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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: zhongjinji <zhongjinji@honor.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, andrealmeid@igalia.com,
	dave@stgolabs.net, dvhart@infradead.org, feng.han@honor.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	liulu.liu@honor.com, mingo@redhat.com, npache@redhat.com,
	peterz@infradead.org, rientjes@google.com,
	shakeel.butt@linux.dev, tglx@linutronix.de
Subject: Re: [[PATCH v2] 2/2] futex: Only delay OOM reaper for processes using robust futex
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2025 08:18:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aJGiHyTXS_BqxoK2@tiehlicka> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aJChI-LMwmuWEwpH@tiehlicka>

On Mon 04-08-25 14:01:40, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Mon 04-08-25 19:50:37, zhongjinji wrote:
> > >On Fri 01-08-25 23:36:49, zhongjinji@honor.com wrote:
> > >> From: zhongjinji <zhongjinji@honor.com>
> > >> 
> > >> After merging the patch
> > >> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220414144042.677008-1-npache@redhat.com/T/#u,
> > >> the OOM reaper runs less frequently because many processes exit within 2 seconds.
> > >> 
> > >> However, when a process is killed, timely handling by the OOM reaper allows
> > >> its memory to be freed faster.
> > >> 
> > >> Since relatively few processes use robust futex, delaying the OOM reaper for
> > >> all processes is undesirable, as many killed processes cannot release memory
> > >> more quickly.
> > >
> > >Could you elaborate more about why this is really needed? OOM should be
> > >a very slow path. Why do you care about this potential improvement in
> > >that situation? In other words what is the usecase?
> > 
> > Well, We are using the cgroup v1 freezer. When a frozen process is
> > killed, it cannot exit immediately and is blocked in __refrigerator until
> > it is thawed. When the process cannot be thawed in time, it will result in 
> > increased system memory pressure.
> 
> This is an important information to be part of the changelog! It is also
> important to note why don't you care about processes that have robust
> mutexes. Is this purely a probabilistic improvement because those are
> less common?
> 
> TBH I find this to be really hackish and justification based on cgroup
> v1 (which is considered legacy) doesn't make it particularly appealing.

Btw. have you considered to simply not impose any delay for _all_ frozen
tasks? 
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-05  6:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-01 15:36 [[PATCH v2] 1/2] futex: Add check_robust_futex to verify process usage of robust_futex zhongjinji
2025-08-01 15:36 ` [[PATCH v2] 2/2] futex: Only delay OOM reaper for processes using robust futex zhongjinji
2025-08-04  5:52   ` Michal Hocko
2025-08-04 11:50     ` zhongjinji
2025-08-04 12:01       ` Michal Hocko
2025-08-05  6:18         ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2025-08-05 14:55           ` zhongjinji
2025-08-05 13:19         ` zhongjinji
2025-08-05 16:02 ` [[PATCH v2] 1/2] futex: Add check_robust_futex to verify process usage of robust_futex Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-12 13:21   ` zhongjinji

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