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From: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 6/7] mm/vmalloc: Support non-blocking GFP flags in __vmalloc_area_node()
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2025 13:20:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aG5QdPWXuvcB4Z6k@pc636> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aG03zMoVJSVJz5KK@tiehlicka>

On Tue, Jul 08, 2025 at 05:22:52PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 08-07-25 14:27:57, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 07, 2025 at 09:13:04AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > On Fri 04-07-25 17:25:36, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
> > > > This patch makes __vmalloc_area_node() to correctly handle non-blocking
> > > > allocation requests, such as GFP_ATOMIC and GFP_NOWAIT. Main changes:
> > > > 
> > > > - nested_gfp flag follows the same non-blocking constraints
> > > >   as the primary gfp_mask, ensuring consistency and avoiding
> > > >   sleeping allocations in atomic contexts.
> > > > 
> > > > - if blocking is not allowed, __GFP_NOFAIL is forcibly cleared
> > > >   and warning is issued if it was set, since __GFP_NOFAIL is
> > > >   incompatible with non-blocking contexts;
> > > > 
> > > > - Add a __GFP_HIGHMEM to gfp_mask only for blocking requests
> > > >   if there are no DMA constraints.
> > > > 
> > > > - in non-blocking mode we use memalloc_noreclaim_save/restore()
> > > >   to prevent reclaim related operations that may sleep while
> > > >   setting up page tables or mapping pages.
> > > > 
> > > > This is particularly important for page table allocations that
> > > > internally use GFP_PGTABLE_KERNEL, which may sleep unless such
> > > > scope restrictions are applied. For example:
> > > > 
> > > > <snip>
> > > >     #define GFP_PGTABLE_KERNEL (GFP_KERNEL | __GFP_ZERO)
> > > > 
> > > >     __pte_alloc_kernel()
> > > >         pte_alloc_one_kernel(&init_mm);
> > > >             pagetable_alloc_noprof(GFP_PGTABLE_KERNEL & ~__GFP_HIGHMEM, 0);
> > > > <snip>
> > > 
> > > The changelog doesn't explain the actual implementation and that is
> > > really crucial here. You rely on memalloc_noreclaim_save (i.e.
> > > PF_MEMALLOC) to never trigger memory reclaim but you are not explaining
> > > how do you prevent from the biggest caveat of this interface. Let me
> > > quote the documentation
> > >  * Users of this scope have to be extremely careful to not deplete the reserves
> > >  * completely and implement a throttling mechanism which controls the
> > >  * consumption of the reserve based on the amount of freed memory. Usage of a
> > >  * pre-allocated pool (e.g. mempool) should be always considered before using
> > >  * this scope.
> > > 
> > I am aware about that comment. I had same concern about this, but it
> > looks like i/you may overshot here. Yes, we have access to memory
> > resrves but this only for page-table manipulations, i.e. to allocate
> > a page for 5-level page table structure. We have PGD, P4D, PUD, PMD
> > and PTE which is the lowest level and which needs pages the most.
> > 
> > As i see we do not free pages at least on PTE level, it means that
> > an address space is populated forward only and never shrink back.
> > Most of the time you do not need to allocate, this mostly occurs
> > initially after the boot.
> 
> You are right, I have misread the patch. I thought this includes
> vm_area_alloc_pages as well but you are right this is only for page
> tables and that seems much more reasonable. Having that outlined in the
> changelog would have helped ;)
>
I will update the commit message in more detail in my next version.

Thank you for!

--
Uladzislau Rezki


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-09 11:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-04 15:25 [RFC 0/7] vmallloc and non-blocking GFPs Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2025-07-04 15:25 ` [RFC 1/7] lib/test_vmalloc: Add non-block-alloc-test case Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2025-07-08  5:59   ` [External] " Adrian Huang12
2025-07-08  8:29     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-07-04 15:25 ` [RFC 2/7] mm/vmalloc: Support non-blocking GFP flags in alloc_vmap_area() Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2025-07-07  7:11   ` Michal Hocko
2025-07-08 12:34     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-07-08 15:17       ` Michal Hocko
2025-07-08 16:45         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-07-04 15:25 ` [RFC 3/7] mm/vmalloc: Avoid cond_resched() when blocking is not permitted Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2025-07-07  7:11   ` Michal Hocko
2025-07-08 12:29     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-07-04 15:25 ` [RFC 4/7] mm/kasan, mm/vmalloc: Respect GFP flags in kasan_populate_vmalloc() Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2025-07-07  1:47   ` Baoquan He
2025-07-08  1:15     ` Baoquan He
2025-07-08  8:30       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-07-04 15:25 ` [RFC 5/7] mm/vmalloc: Defer freeing partly initialized vm_struct Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2025-07-04 15:25 ` [RFC 6/7] mm/vmalloc: Support non-blocking GFP flags in __vmalloc_area_node() Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2025-07-07  7:13   ` Michal Hocko
2025-07-08 12:27     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-07-08 15:22       ` Michal Hocko
2025-07-09 11:20         ` Uladzislau Rezki [this message]
2025-07-08 15:47   ` Michal Hocko
2025-07-09 13:45     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-07-04 15:25 ` [RFC 7/7] mm: Drop __GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM flag if PF_MEMALLOC is set Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)

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