From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>, Alex Mastro <amastro@fb.com>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] vfio-pci: Best-effort huge pfnmaps with !MAP_FIXED mappings
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2025 20:48:45 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aFtHbXFO1ZpAsnV8@x1.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250624234032.GC167785@nvidia.com>
On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 08:40:32PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 04:37:26PM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 03:40:41PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > Even with this new version you have to decide to return PUD_SIZE or
> > > bar_size in pci and your same reasoning that PUD_SIZE make sense
> > > applies (though I would probably return bar_size and just let the core
> > > code cap it to PUD_SIZE)
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > Today I went back to look at this, I was trying to introduce this for
> > file_operations:
> >
> > int (*get_mapping_order)(struct file *, unsigned long, size_t);
> >
> > It looks almost good, except that it so far has no way to return the
> > physical address for further calculation on the alignment.
> >
> > For THP, VA is always calculated against pgoff not physical address on the
> > alignment. I think it's OK for THP, because every 2M THP folio will be
> > naturally 2M aligned on the physical address, so it fits when e.g. pgoff=0
> > in the calculation of thp_get_unmapped_area_vmflags().
> >
> > Logically it should even also work for vfio-pci, as long as VFIO keeps
> > using the lower 40 bits of the device_fd to represent the bar offset,
> > meanwhile it'll also require PCIe spec asking the PCI bars to be mapped
> > aligned with bar sizes.
> >
> > But from an API POV, get_mapping_order() logically should return something
> > for further calculation of the alignment to get the VA. pgoff here may not
> > always be the right thing to use to align to the VA: after all, pgtable
> > mapping is about VA -> PA, the only reasonable and reliable way is to align
> > VA to the PA to be mappped, and as an API we shouldn't assume pgoff is
> > always aligned to PA address space.
>
> My feeling, and the reason I used the phrase "pgoff aligned address",
> is that the owner of the file should already ensure that for the large
> PTEs/folios:
> pgoff % 2**order == 0
> physical % 2**order == 0
IMHO there shouldn't really be any hard requirement in mm that pgoff and
physical address space need to be aligned.. but I confess I don't have an
example driver that didn't do that in the linux tree.
>
> So, things like VFIO do need to hand out high alignment pgoffs to make
> this work - which it already does.
>
> To me this just keeps thing simpler. I guess if someone comes up with
> a case where they really can't get a pgoff alignment and really need a
> high order mapping then maybe we can add a new return field of some
> kind (pgoff adjustment?) but that is so weird I'd leave it to the
> future person to come and justfiy it.
When looking more, I also found some special cased get_unmapped_area() that
may not be trivially converted into the new API even for CONFIG_MMU, namely:
- io_uring_get_unmapped_area
- arena_get_unmapped_area (from bpf_map->ops->map_get_unmapped_area)
I'll need to have some closer look tomorrow. If any of them cannot be 100%
safely converted to the new API, I'd also think we should not introduce the
new API, but reuse get_unmapped_area() until we know a way out.
--
Peter Xu
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-25 0:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-13 13:41 [PATCH 0/5] mm/vfio: " Peter Xu
2025-06-13 13:41 ` [PATCH 1/5] mm: Deduplicate mm_get_unmapped_area() Peter Xu
2025-06-13 14:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 14:55 ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-13 14:58 ` Zi Yan
2025-06-13 15:57 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-13 17:00 ` Pedro Falcato
2025-06-13 18:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-16 8:01 ` David Laight
2025-06-17 21:13 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 13:41 ` [PATCH 2/5] mm/hugetlb: Remove prepare_hugepage_range() Peter Xu
2025-06-13 14:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 14:59 ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-13 15:13 ` Zi Yan
2025-06-13 16:24 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 18:01 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-14 4:11 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-06-17 21:07 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 13:41 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm: Rename __thp_get_unmapped_area to mm_get_unmapped_area_aligned Peter Xu
2025-06-13 14:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 15:13 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 16:00 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 18:31 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 15:19 ` Zi Yan
2025-06-13 18:33 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 15:36 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-13 18:45 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 19:18 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-13 20:34 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-14 5:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-14 5:23 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-06-16 12:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-16 12:20 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-16 12:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 13:41 ` [PATCH 4/5] vfio: Introduce vfio_device_ops.get_unmapped_area hook Peter Xu
2025-06-13 14:18 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 18:03 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-14 14:46 ` kernel test robot
2025-06-17 15:39 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-17 15:41 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 16:47 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-17 19:39 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-17 19:46 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 20:01 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-17 23:00 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 23:26 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 13:41 ` [PATCH 5/5] vfio-pci: Best-effort huge pfnmaps with !MAP_FIXED mappings Peter Xu
2025-06-13 14:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 15:26 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 16:09 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 19:15 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 23:16 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-16 22:06 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-16 23:00 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 20:56 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-17 23:18 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 23:36 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-18 16:56 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-18 17:46 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-18 19:15 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-19 13:58 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-19 14:55 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-19 18:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-24 20:37 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-24 20:51 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-24 23:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-25 0:48 ` Peter Xu [this message]
2025-06-25 13:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-25 17:12 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-25 18:41 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-25 19:26 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-30 14:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-02 20:58 ` Peter Xu
2025-07-02 23:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-13 17:44 ` Alex Mastro
2025-06-13 18:53 ` Peter Xu
2025-06-13 18:09 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-13 19:21 ` Peter Xu
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