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From: Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	Jakub Matena <matenajakub@gmail.com>,
	Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@gmail.com>,
	Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/11] mm/mremap: introduce more mergeable mremap via MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 15:37:52 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aFENQMQUDx4GeMuc@hyeyoo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f24dd244-f188-4804-981c-8b7560e5a26b@redhat.com>

On Mon, Jun 16, 2025 at 10:58:28PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 09.06.25 15:26, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > When mremap() moves a mapping around in memory, it goes to great lengths to
> > avoid having to walk page tables as this is expensive and
> > time-consuming.
> > 
> > Rather, if the VMA was faulted (that is vma->anon_vma != NULL), the virtual
> > page offset stored in the VMA at vma->vm_pgoff will remain the same, as
> > well all the folio indexes pointed at the associated anon_vma object.
> > 
> > This means the VMA and page tables can simply be moved and this affects the
> > change (and if we can move page tables at a higher page table level, this
> > is even faster).
> > 
> > While this is efficient, it does lead to big problems with VMA merging - in
> > essence it causes faulted anonymous VMAs to not be mergeable under many
> > circumstances once moved.
> > 
> > This is limiting and leads to both a proliferation of unreclaimable,
> > unmovable kernel metadata (VMAs, anon_vma's, anon_vma_chain's) and has an
> > impact on further use of mremap(), which has a requirement that the VMA
> > moved (which can also be a partial range within a VMA) may span only a
> > single VMA.
> > 
> > This makes the mergeability or not of VMAs in effect a uAPI concern.
> > 
> > In some use cases, users may wish to accept the overhead of actually going
> > to the trouble of updating VMAs and folios to affect mremap() moves. Let's
> > provide them with the choice.
> > 
> > This patch add a new MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON flag to do just that, which
> > attempts to perform such an operation. If it is unable to do so, it cleanly
> > falls back to the usual method.
> > 
> > It carefully takes the rmap locks such that at no time will a racing rmap
> > user encounter incorrect or missing VMAs.
> > 
> > It is also designed to interact cleanly with the existing mremap() error
> > fallback mechanism (inverting the remap should the page table move fail).
> > 
> > Also, if we could merge cleanly without such a change, we do so, avoiding
> > the overhead of the operation if it is not required.
> > 
> > In the instance that no merge may occur when the move is performed, we
> > still perform the folio and VMA updates to ensure that future mremap() or
> > mprotect() calls will result in merges.
> > 
> > In this implementation, we simply give up if we encounter large folios. A
> > subsequent commit will extend the functionality to allow for these cases.
> > 
> > We restrict this flag to purely anonymous memory only.
> > 
> > we separate out the vma_had_uncowed_parents() helper function for checking
> > in should_relocate_anon() and introduce a new function
> > vma_maybe_has_shared_anon_folios() which combines a check against this and
> > any forked child anon_vma's.
> > 
> > We carefully check for pinned folios in case a caller who holds a pin might
> > make assumptions about index, mapping fields which we are about to
> > manipulate.
> 
> Som quick feedback, I did not yet digest everything.
> 
> > @@ -1134,6 +1380,67 @@ static void unmap_source_vma(struct vma_remap_struct *vrm)
> >   	pmc.new = new_vma;
> > +	if (relocate_anon) {
> > +		lock_new_anon_vma(new_vma);
> > +		pmc.relocate_locked = new_vma;
> > +
> > +		if (!relocate_anon_folios(&pmc, /* undo= */false)) {
> > +			unsigned long start = new_vma->vm_start;
> > +			unsigned long size = new_vma->vm_end - start;
> > +
> > +			/* Undo if fails. */
> > +			relocate_anon_folios(&pmc, /* undo= */true);
> 
> You'd assume this cannot fail, but I think it can: imagine concurrent
> GUP-fast ...

Oops, that sounds really bad.

> I really wish we can find a way to not require the fallback.

Maybe split the VMA at the point where it fails, instead of undo?

-- 
Cheers,
Harry / Hyeonggon


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-17  6:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-09 13:26 [PATCH 00/11] " Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 01/11] " Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-16 20:58   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17  6:37     ` Harry Yoo [this message]
2025-06-17  9:52       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17 10:01         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 10:07     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17 12:07       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 11:15   ` Harry Yoo
2025-06-17 11:24     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17 11:49       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 20:09   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 02/11] mm/mremap: add MREMAP_MUST_RELOCATE_ANON Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 03/11] mm/mremap: add MREMAP[_MUST]_RELOCATE_ANON support for large folios Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 04/11] tools UAPI: Update copy of linux/mman.h from the kernel sources Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 05/11] tools/testing/selftests: add sys_mremap() helper to vm_util.h Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 06/11] tools/testing/selftests: add mremap() cases that merge normally Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 07/11] tools/testing/selftests: add MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON merge test cases Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 08/11] tools/testing/selftests: expand mremap() tests for MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 09/11] tools/testing/selftests: have CoW self test use MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 10/11] tools/testing/selftests: test relocate anon in split huge page test Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 11/11] tools/testing/selftests: add MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON fork tests Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-16 20:24 ` [PATCH 00/11] mm/mremap: introduce more mergeable mremap via MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON David Hildenbrand
2025-06-16 20:41   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17  8:34     ` Pedro Falcato
2025-06-17  8:45       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 10:57         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17 11:58           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 12:47             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-20 18:59           ` Pedro Falcato
2025-06-20 19:28             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-24  9:38               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-24 10:19                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-24 12:05                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 10:20       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17 10:50   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17  5:42 ` Lai, Yi
2025-06-17  6:45   ` Harry Yoo
2025-06-17  9:33     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-25 15:44 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-25 15:58   ` Andrew Morton

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