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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Zihuan Zhang <zhangzihuan@kylinos.cn>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	rafael@kernel.org, len.brown@intel.com, pavel@kernel.org,
	kees@kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	vschneid@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,
	vbabka@suse.cz, rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] PM: Optionally block user fork during freeze to improve performance
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2025 13:24:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aE_-4nMTvx3m9lmY@tiehlicka> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <775aaf10-3d19-4d5a-bf2b-703211166be4@redhat.com>

On Mon 16-06-25 09:45:59, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> 
> > > [...]
> > In our test scenario, although new processes can indeed be created
> > during the usleep_range() intervals between freeze iterations, it’s
> > actually difficult to make the freezer fail outright. This is because
> > user processes are forcibly frozen: when they return to user space and
> > check for pending signals, they enter try_to_freeze() and transition
> > into the refrigerator.
> > 
> > However, since the scheduler is fair by design, it gives both newly
> > forked tasks and yet-to-be-frozen tasks a chance to run. This
> > competition for CPU time can slightly delay the overall freeze process.
> > While this typically doesn’t lead to failure, it does cause more retries
> > than necessary, especially under CPU pressure.
> 
> I think that goes back to my original comment: why are we even allowing fork
> children to run at all when we are currently freezing all tasks?

The same should be the case for cgroup freezer as well.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-16 11:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-06  6:25 Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-06  7:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-08  7:22   ` zhangzihuan
2025-06-08 15:50     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-06-09  3:46       ` zhangzihuan
2025-06-06  8:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-09  4:05   ` zhangzihuan
2025-06-10 10:50     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-13  2:37       ` Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-13  7:05         ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-16  3:46           ` Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-16  7:45             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-16 11:24               ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2025-06-18 11:30               ` Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-18 11:54                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-28 13:06                   ` Zihuan Zhang

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