From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Zihuan Zhang <zhangzihuan@kylinos.cn>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
rafael@kernel.org, len.brown@intel.com, pavel@kernel.org,
kees@kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
vincent.guittot@linaro.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
rostedt@goodmis.org, bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de,
vschneid@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,
vbabka@suse.cz, rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com,
linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] PM: Optionally block user fork during freeze to improve performance
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2025 13:24:18 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aE_-4nMTvx3m9lmY@tiehlicka> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <775aaf10-3d19-4d5a-bf2b-703211166be4@redhat.com>
On Mon 16-06-25 09:45:59, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>
> > > [...]
> > In our test scenario, although new processes can indeed be created
> > during the usleep_range() intervals between freeze iterations, it’s
> > actually difficult to make the freezer fail outright. This is because
> > user processes are forcibly frozen: when they return to user space and
> > check for pending signals, they enter try_to_freeze() and transition
> > into the refrigerator.
> >
> > However, since the scheduler is fair by design, it gives both newly
> > forked tasks and yet-to-be-frozen tasks a chance to run. This
> > competition for CPU time can slightly delay the overall freeze process.
> > While this typically doesn’t lead to failure, it does cause more retries
> > than necessary, especially under CPU pressure.
>
> I think that goes back to my original comment: why are we even allowing fork
> children to run at all when we are currently freezing all tasks?
The same should be the case for cgroup freezer as well.
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-16 11:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-06 6:25 Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-06 7:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-08 7:22 ` zhangzihuan
2025-06-08 15:50 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-06-09 3:46 ` zhangzihuan
2025-06-06 8:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-09 4:05 ` zhangzihuan
2025-06-10 10:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-13 2:37 ` Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-13 7:05 ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-16 3:46 ` Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-16 7:45 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-16 11:24 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2025-06-18 11:30 ` Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-18 11:54 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-28 13:06 ` Zihuan Zhang
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