From: Matt Bobrowski <mattbobrowski@google.com>
To: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>,
Chuyi Zhou <zhouchuyi@bytedance.com>,
cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH rfc 00/12] mm: BPF OOM
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 10:43:07 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aA9bu7UJOCTQGk6L@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250428033617.3797686-1-roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 03:36:05AM +0000, Roman Gushchin wrote:
> This patchset adds an ability to customize the out of memory
> handling using bpf.
>
> It focuses on two parts:
> 1) OOM handling policy,
> 2) PSI-based OOM invocation.
>
> The idea to use bpf for customizing the OOM handling is not new, but
> unlike the previous proposal [1], which augmented the existing task
> ranking-based policy, this one tries to be as generic as possible and
> leverage the full power of the modern bpf.
>
> It provides a generic hook which is called before the existing OOM
> killer code and allows implementing any policy, e.g. picking a victim
> task or memory cgroup or potentially even releasing memory in other
> ways, e.g. deleting tmpfs files (the last one might require some
> additional but relatively simple changes).
>
> The past attempt to implement memory-cgroup aware policy [2] showed
> that there are multiple opinions on what the best policy is. As it's
> highly workload-dependent and specific to a concrete way of organizing
> workloads, the structure of the cgroup tree etc, a customizable
> bpf-based implementation is preferable over a in-kernel implementation
> with a dozen on sysctls.
>
> The second part is related to the fundamental question on when to
> declare the OOM event. It's a trade-off between the risk of
> unnecessary OOM kills and associated work losses and the risk of
> infinite trashing and effective soft lockups. In the last few years
> several PSI-based userspace solutions were developed (e.g. OOMd [3] or
> systemd-OOMd [4]). The common idea was to use userspace daemons to
> implement custom OOM logic as well as rely on PSI monitoring to avoid
> stalls. In this scenario the userspace daemon was supposed to handle
> the majority of OOMs, while the in-kernel OOM killer worked as the
> last resort measure to guarantee that the system would never deadlock
> on the memory. But this approach creates additional infrastructure
> churn: userspace OOM daemon is a separate entity which needs to be
> deployed, updated, monitored. A completely different pipeline needs to
> be built to monitor both types of OOM events and collect associated
> logs. A userspace daemon is more restricted in terms on what data is
> available to it. Implementing a daemon which can work reliably under a
> heavy memory pressure in the system is also tricky.
>
> [1]: https://lwn.net/ml/linux-kernel/20230810081319.65668-1-zhouchuyi@bytedance.com/
> [2]: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20171130152824.1591-1-guro@fb.com/
> [3]: https://github.com/facebookincubator/oomd
> [4]: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd-oomd.service.html
>
> ----
>
> This is an RFC version, which is not intended to be merged in the current form.
> Open questions/TODOs:
> 1) Program type/attachment type for the bpf_handle_out_of_memory() hook.
> It has to be able to return a value, to be sleepable (to use cgroup iterators)
> and to have trusted arguments to pass oom_control down to bpf_oom_kill_process().
> Current patchset has a workaround (patch "bpf: treat fmodret tracing program's
> arguments as trusted"), which is not safe. One option is to fake acquire/release
> semantics for the oom_control pointer. Other option is to introduce a completely
> new attachment or program type, similar to lsm hooks.
Thinking out loud now, but rather than introducing and having a single
BPF-specific function/interface, and BPF program for that matter,
which can effectively be used to short-circuit steps from within
out_of_memory(), why not introduce a
tcp_congestion_ops/sched_ext_ops-like interface which essentially
provides a multifaceted interface for controlling OOM killing
(->select_bad_process, ->oom_kill_process, etc), optionally also from
the context of a BPF program (BPF_PROG_TYPE_STRUCT_OPS)?
I don't know whether that's what you meant by introducing a new
attachment, or program type, but an approach like this is what
immediately comes to mind when wanting to provide more than a single
implementation for a set of operations within the Linux kernel,
particularly also from the context of a BPF program.
> 2) Currently lockdep complaints about a potential circular dependency because
> sleepable bpf_handle_out_of_memory() hook calls might_fault() under oom_lock.
> One way to fix it is to make it non-sleepable, but then it will require some
> additional work to allow it using cgroup iterators. It's intervened with 1).
> 3) What kind of hierarchical features are required? Do we want to nest oom policies?
> Do we want to attach oom policies to cgroups? I think it's too complicated,
> but if we want a full hierarchical support, it might be required.
> Patch "mm: introduce bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup() bpf kfunc" exposes the true root
> memcg, which is potentially outside of the ns of the loading process. Does
> it require some additional capabilities checks? Should it be removed?
> 4) Documentation is lacking and will be added in the next version.
>
>
> Roman Gushchin (12):
> mm: introduce a bpf hook for OOM handling
> bpf: mark struct oom_control's memcg field as TRUSTED_OR_NULL
> bpf: treat fmodret tracing program's arguments as trusted
> mm: introduce bpf_oom_kill_process() bpf kfunc
> mm: introduce bpf kfuncs to deal with memcg pointers
> mm: introduce bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup() bpf kfunc
> bpf: selftests: introduce read_cgroup_file() helper
> bpf: selftests: bpf OOM handler test
> sched: psi: bpf hook to handle psi events
> mm: introduce bpf_out_of_memory() bpf kfunc
> bpf: selftests: introduce open_cgroup_file() helper
> bpf: selftests: psi handler test
>
> include/linux/memcontrol.h | 2 +
> include/linux/oom.h | 5 +
> kernel/bpf/btf.c | 9 +-
> kernel/bpf/verifier.c | 5 +
> kernel/sched/psi.c | 36 ++-
> mm/Makefile | 3 +
> mm/bpf_memcontrol.c | 108 +++++++++
> mm/oom_kill.c | 140 +++++++++++
> tools/testing/selftests/bpf/cgroup_helpers.c | 67 ++++++
> tools/testing/selftests/bpf/cgroup_helpers.h | 3 +
> tools/testing/selftests/bpf/prog_tests/oom.c | 227 ++++++++++++++++++
> tools/testing/selftests/bpf/prog_tests/psi.c | 234 +++++++++++++++++++
> tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/test_oom.c | 103 ++++++++
> tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/test_psi.c | 43 ++++
> 14 files changed, 983 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> create mode 100644 mm/bpf_memcontrol.c
> create mode 100644 tools/testing/selftests/bpf/prog_tests/oom.c
> create mode 100644 tools/testing/selftests/bpf/prog_tests/psi.c
> create mode 100644 tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/test_oom.c
> create mode 100644 tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/test_psi.c
>
> --
> 2.49.0.901.g37484f566f-goog
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-28 10:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-28 3:36 Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28 3:36 ` [PATCH rfc 01/12] mm: introduce a bpf hook for OOM handling Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28 3:36 ` [PATCH rfc 02/12] bpf: mark struct oom_control's memcg field as TRUSTED_OR_NULL Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28 3:36 ` [PATCH rfc 03/12] bpf: treat fmodret tracing program's arguments as trusted Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28 3:36 ` [PATCH rfc 04/12] mm: introduce bpf_oom_kill_process() bpf kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28 3:36 ` [PATCH rfc 05/12] mm: introduce bpf kfuncs to deal with memcg pointers Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28 3:36 ` [PATCH rfc 06/12] mm: introduce bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup() bpf kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28 3:36 ` [PATCH rfc 07/12] bpf: selftests: introduce read_cgroup_file() helper Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28 3:36 ` [PATCH rfc 08/12] bpf: selftests: bpf OOM handler test Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28 3:36 ` [PATCH rfc 09/12] sched: psi: bpf hook to handle psi events Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28 6:11 ` kernel test robot
2025-04-30 0:28 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-04-30 0:58 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28 3:36 ` [PATCH rfc 10/12] mm: introduce bpf_out_of_memory() bpf kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-04-29 11:46 ` Michal Hocko
2025-04-29 21:31 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-04-30 7:27 ` Michal Hocko
2025-04-30 14:53 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-05-05 8:08 ` Michal Hocko
2025-04-28 3:36 ` [PATCH rfc 11/12] bpf: selftests: introduce open_cgroup_file() helper Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28 3:36 ` [PATCH rfc 12/12] bpf: selftests: psi handler test Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28 10:43 ` Matt Bobrowski [this message]
2025-04-28 17:24 ` [PATCH rfc 00/12] mm: BPF OOM Roman Gushchin
2025-04-29 1:56 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-04-29 15:42 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-05-02 17:26 ` Song Liu
2025-04-29 11:42 ` Michal Hocko
2025-04-29 14:44 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-04-29 21:56 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-04-29 22:17 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-04-29 23:01 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-04-29 22:44 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-04-29 23:01 ` Roman Gushchin
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