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From: "Satyam Sharma" <satyam.sharma@gmail.com>
To: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
Cc: "clameter@sgi.com" <clameter@sgi.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/4] CONFIG_STABLE: Define it
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:10:34 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a781481a0707200440v48dcf70fv621aec863562880c@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46A09DB2.5040408@redhat.com>

On 7/20/07, Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com> wrote:
> Satyam Sharma wrote:
> > On 7/20/07, Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com> wrote:
> >> Satyam Sharma wrote:
> >> > [ Just cleaning up my inbox, and stumbled across this thread ... ]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 5/31/07, clameter@sgi.com <clameter@sgi.com> wrote:
> >> >> Introduce CONFIG_STABLE to control checks only useful for development.
> >> >>
> >> >> Signed-off-by: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
> >> >> [...]
> >> >>  menu "General setup"
> >> >>
> >> >> +config STABLE
> >> >> +       bool "Stable kernel"
> >> >> +       help
> >> >> +         If the kernel is configured to be a stable kernel then
> >> various
> >> >> +         checks that are only of interest to kernel development
> >> will be
> >> >> +         omitted.
> >> >> +
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "A programmer who uses assertions during testing and turns them off
> >> > during production is like a sailor who wears a life vest while drilling
> >> > on shore and takes it off at sea."
> >> >                                                - Tony Hoare
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Probably you meant to turn off debug _output_ (and not _checks_)
> >> > with this config option? But we already have CONFIG_FOO_DEBUG_BAR
> >> > for those situations ...
> >>
> >> There are plenty of validation and debugging features in the kernel
> >> that go WAY
> >> beyond mere assertions, often imposing significant overhead
> >> (particularly when
> >> you scale up) or creating interfaces you'd never use unless you were
> >> doing
> >> kernel development work.  You really do want these features completely
> >> removed
> >> from production kernels.
> >
> > As for entire such "development/debugging-related features", most (all,
> > really)
> > should anyway have their own config options.
>
> They do.  With kconfig dependencies, we can ensure that those config options are
> off when CONFIG_STABLE is set.  That way you only have to set one option to
> ensure that all these expensive checks are disabled.

Oh, so you mean use this (the negation of this, actually) as a universal
kconfig dependency of all other such development/debugging related stuff?
Hmm, the name is quite misleading in that case.

Anyway, what surprised me was 4/4 in this patchset. Funny that we wouldn't
want to corrupt memory / trash hard disks / follow invalid pointers on a
developers testbox, but (knowingly) want to do that on a production website
running Google.com's website :-)

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-20 11:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-31  0:20 [RFC 0/4] CONFIG_STABLE to switch off development checks clameter
2007-05-31  0:20 ` [RFC 1/4] CONFIG_STABLE: Define it clameter
2007-05-31  0:35   ` young dave
2007-05-31  0:49     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-01 18:08       ` Dave Jones
2007-06-01 18:25         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-31  8:54   ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-31  9:03     ` David Miller, Stefan Richter
2007-05-31  9:03     ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-31 21:11   ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-31 21:14     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-31 21:30     ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-01 18:02       ` Dave Jones
2007-06-01 20:22         ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-01 20:30           ` Dave Jones
2007-06-01 20:55             ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-01 20:25     ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-20 10:41   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-20 11:09     ` Chris Snook
2007-07-20 11:27       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-20 11:34         ` Chris Snook
2007-07-20 11:40           ` Satyam Sharma [this message]
2007-07-20 11:50             ` Chris Snook
2007-07-20 16:48               ` Stefan Richter
2007-07-20 16:28     ` Stefan Richter
2007-07-20 16:36       ` Stefan Richter
2007-07-20 19:09         ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-05-31  0:20 ` [RFC 2/4] CONFIG_STABLE: Switch off kmalloc(0) tests in slab allocators clameter
2007-05-31 19:51   ` Zach Brown
2007-05-31 22:37     ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-31  0:20 ` [RFC 3/4] CONFIG_STABLE: Switch off SLUB banner clameter
2007-05-31  0:20 ` [RFC 4/4] CONFIG_STABLE: SLUB: Prefer object corruption over failure clameter
2007-06-01 14:55 ` [RFC 0/4] CONFIG_STABLE to switch off development checks Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-06-01 18:38   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-01 18:58     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-06-01 20:59       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-01 21:24         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-06-02 15:23       ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-06-02 16:28         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-06-04  1:03           ` Dave Kleikamp

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