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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Leonardo Bras <leonardo@linux.ibm.com>,
	Nathan Lynch <nathanl@linux.ibm.com>,
	Allison Randal <allison@lohutok.net>,
	Nathan Fontenot <nfont@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	lantianyu1986@gmail.com,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v1] mm: is_mem_section_removable() overhaul
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 10:14:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a5f0bd8d-de5e-9f27-5c94-7746a3d20a95@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200120074816.GG18451@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On 20.01.20 08:48, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Fri 17-01-20 08:57:51, Dan Williams wrote:
> [...]
>> Unless the user is willing to hold the device_hotplug_lock over the
>> evaluation then the result is unreliable.
> 
> Do we want to hold the device_hotplug_lock from this user readable file
> in the first place? My book says that this just waits to become a
> problem.

It was the "big hammer" solution for this RFC.

I think we could do with a try_lock() on the device_lock() paired with a
device->removed flag. The latter is helpful for properly catching zombie
devices on the onlining/offlining path either way (and on my todo list).

> 
> Really, the interface is flawed and should have never been merged in the
> first place. We cannot simply remove it altogether I am afraid so let's
> at least remove the bogus code and pretend that the world is a better
> place where everything is removable except the reality sucks...

As I expressed already, the interface works as designed/documented and
has been used like that for years. I tend to agree that it never should
have been merged like that.

We have (at least) two places that are racy (with concurrent memory
hotplug):

1. /sys/.../memoryX/removable
- a) make it always return yes and make the interface useless
- b) add proper locking and keep it running as is (e.g., so David can
     identify offlineable memory blocks :) ).

2. /sys/.../memoryX/valid_zones
- a) always return "none" if the memory is online
- b) add proper locking and keep it running as is
- c) cache the result ("zone") when a block is onlined (e.g., in
mem->zone. If it is NULL, either mixed zones or unknown)

At least 2. already scream for a proper device_lock() locking as the
mem->state is not stable across the function call.

1a and 2a are the easiest solutions but remove all ways to identify if a
memory block could theoretically be offlined - without trying
(especially, also to identify the MOVABLE zone).

I tend to prefer 1b) and 2c), paired with proper device_lock() locking.
We don't affect existing use cases but are able to simplify the code +
fix the races.

What's your opinion? Any alternatives?

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-20  9:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-17 10:57 David Hildenbrand
2020-01-17 11:33 ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-17 13:08   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-17 14:52     ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-17 14:58       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-17 15:29         ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-17 15:54           ` Dan Williams
2020-01-17 16:10             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-17 16:57               ` Dan Williams
2020-01-20  7:48                 ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-20  9:14                   ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2020-01-20  9:20                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-21 12:07                     ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-22 10:39                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-22 10:42                         ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-22 10:54                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-22 11:58                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-22 16:46                               ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-22 18:15                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-22 18:38                                   ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-22 18:46                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-22 19:09                                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-22 20:51                                         ` Dan Williams
2020-01-22 19:01                                   ` Michal Hocko

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