From: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>,
jack@suse.cz, Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2 v2] bcachefs: do not use PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 09:22:26 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a53xyedoraogetttff7e2afxx3bcomjh4j2r5qaxxl2v66adlx@4fexbinton3g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZtBzstXltxowPOhR@dread.disaster.area>
On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 11:12:18PM GMT, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 06:02:32AM -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 02:09:57PM GMT, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 08:15:43AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> > > >
> > > > bch2_new_inode relies on PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM to try to allocate a new
> > > > inode to achieve GFP_NOWAIT semantic while holding locks. If this
> > > > allocation fails it will drop locks and use GFP_NOFS allocation context.
> > > >
> > > > We would like to drop PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM because it is really
> > > > dangerous to use if the caller doesn't control the full call chain with
> > > > this flag set. E.g. if any of the function down the chain needed
> > > > GFP_NOFAIL request the PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM would override this and
> > > > cause unexpected failure.
> > > >
> > > > While this is not the case in this particular case using the scoped gfp
> > > > semantic is not really needed bacause we can easily pus the allocation
> > > > context down the chain without too much clutter.
> > > >
> > > > Acked-by: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
> > > > Signed-off-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> > >
> > > Looks good to me.
> > >
> > > Reviewed-by: Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>
> >
> > Reposting what I wrote in the other thread:
>
> I've read the thread. I've heard what you have had to say. Like
> several other people, I think your position is just not practical or
> reasonable.
>
> I don't care about the purity or the safety of the API - the
> practical result of PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM is that __GFP_NOFAIL
> allocation can now fail and that will cause unexpected kernel
> crashes. Keeping existing code and API semantics working correctly
> (i.e. regression free) takes precedence over new functionality or
> API features that people want to introduce.
>
> That's all there is to it. This is not a hill you need to die on.
If you use GFP_NOFAIL in a context where you're not allowed to sleep,
that's a bug, same as any other bug where you get the gfp flags wrong
(e.g. GFP_KERNEL in non sleepable context).
This isn't going to affect you unless you start going around inserting
PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM where it doesn't need to be. Why would you do
that?
But the lack of gfp flags for pte allocation means that this actually is
a serious gap we need to be fixing.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-08-29 13:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-08-26 8:47 [PATCH 0/2] get rid of PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 8:47 ` [PATCH 1/2] bcachefs: do not use PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 13:11 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-26 16:48 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 19:39 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 19:41 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-26 19:42 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 19:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-26 19:54 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 19:44 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 19:58 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 20:00 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 20:27 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 20:43 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 21:10 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-27 6:01 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-27 6:40 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-27 6:58 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-27 7:05 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-27 7:35 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 19:52 ` kernel test robot
2024-08-26 20:53 ` kernel test robot
2024-08-27 2:23 ` kernel test robot
2024-08-27 6:15 ` [PATCH 1/2 v2] " Michal Hocko
2024-08-27 12:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-08-28 4:09 ` Dave Chinner
2024-08-29 10:02 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 13:12 ` Dave Chinner
2024-08-29 13:22 ` Kent Overstreet [this message]
2024-08-29 13:32 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 14:03 ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-02 0:23 ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-02 1:35 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-09-02 8:41 ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-02 8:52 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-09-02 9:39 ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-02 9:51 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-09-02 14:07 ` Jonathan Corbet
2024-09-04 18:01 ` Shuah Khan
2024-11-20 20:34 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-20 21:12 ` Shuah Khan
2024-11-20 21:20 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-20 21:37 ` Shuah Khan
2024-11-20 22:21 ` Shuah Khan
2024-11-20 22:39 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-20 22:55 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-20 23:21 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-20 23:47 ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-11-20 23:57 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-21 0:10 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-21 4:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-21 4:53 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-21 23:53 ` Shuah Khan
2024-11-22 6:51 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-22 12:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-21 21:32 ` Martin Steigerwald
2024-11-22 9:47 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-11-21 5:51 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-21 8:43 ` review process (was: underalated stuff) Michal Hocko
2024-11-21 9:03 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-21 20:17 ` [PATCH 1/2 v2] bcachefs: do not use PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Simona Vetter
2024-11-21 21:26 ` Martin Steigerwald
2024-11-22 21:48 ` Dan Williams
2024-11-22 22:02 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 9:37 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Jan Kara
2024-08-26 8:47 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: drop PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 13:48 ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-26 16:54 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 13:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-26 16:51 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 17:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-26 19:18 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 19:20 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-28 4:11 ` Dave Chinner
2024-08-29 21:45 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-08-26 19:04 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-27 12:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-01 11:29 [PATCH 1/2 v2] bcachefs: do not use PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Stephen Whitten
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