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From: "Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	 Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	 Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Ivan Babrou <ivan@cloudflare.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	 linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] memcg: non-unified flushing for userspace stats
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:00:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a4opjlmm5it3ujoypcgjfljfamjvr7gu34sc7lrjldfbqzz4lj@6w4lqdcfd3zu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230821205458.1764662-1-yosryahmed@google.com>

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Hello.

On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 08:54:55PM +0000, Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com> wrote:
> For userspace reads, unified flushing leads to non-deterministic stats
> staleness and reading cost.

I only skimed previous threads but I don't remember if it was resolved:
a) periodic flushing was too much spaced for user space readers (i.e. 2s
   delay is too much [1]),
b) periodic flushing didn't catch up (i.e. full tree flush can
   occassionaly take more than 2s) leading to extra staleness?

[1] Assuming that nr_cpus*MEMCG_CHARGE_BATCH error bound is also too
    much for userspace readers, correct?

> The cost of userspace reads are now determinstic, and depend on the
> size of the subtree being read. This should fix both the *sometimes*
> expensive reads (due to flushing the entire tree) and occasional
> staless (due to skipping flushing).

This is nice, thanks to the atomic removal in the commit 0a2dc6ac3329
("cgroup: remove cgroup_rstat_flush_atomic()"). I think the smaller
chunks with yielding could be universally better (last words :-).

Thanks,
Michal


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-08-22 13:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-21 20:54 Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: memcg: properly name and document unified stats flushing Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: memcg: add a helper for non-unified " Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-22 13:01   ` Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 16:00     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-22 16:35       ` Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 16:48         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: memcg: use non-unified stats flushing for userspace reads Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-22  9:06   ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-22 15:30     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-23  7:33       ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-23 14:55         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-24  7:13           ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-24 18:15             ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-24 18:50               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-25  7:05                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 15:14                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-25 18:17                     ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 18:21                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-25 18:43                         ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 18:44                           ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-28 15:47                     ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-28 16:15                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:00                         ` Shakeel Butt
2023-08-28 17:07                           ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:27                             ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 17:28                               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:35                                 ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 17:43                                   ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 18:35                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29  7:27                               ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-29 15:05                                 ` Waiman Long
2023-08-29 15:17                                   ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-29 16:04                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29 18:44                   ` Tejun Heo
2023-08-29 19:13                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29 19:36                       ` Tejun Heo
2023-08-29 19:54                         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29 20:12                           ` Tejun Heo
2023-08-29 20:20                             ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-31  9:05                               ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-22 13:00 ` Michal Koutný [this message]
2023-08-22 15:43   ` [PATCH 0/3] memcg: non-unified flushing for userspace stats Yosry Ahmed

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