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Right, I can see one more call to soft_offline_page() from arch/parisc/kernel/pdt.c. And there is memory_failure_work_func() that I missed. So agreed that this goes beyond testing. It caught my attention because you ended up modifying documentation residing in Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-memory-page-offline. Reading 56374430c5dfc that Kyle pointed out is gets clearer. So the patch motivation/idea makes sense to me. I'll note two things: (1) The interface design is not really extensible. Imagine if we want to exclude yet another page type. Can we maybe add a second interface that defines a filter for types? Alternatively, you could use all the remaining flags as such a filter. 0 - Soft offline is completely disabled. 1 - Soft offline is enabled except for manually disabled types. Filter 2 - disable hugetlb. So value 3 would give you "enable all except hugetlb" etc. We could add in the future 4 - disable guest_memfd (just some random example) Then you 2) Changing the semantics of the value "1" IIUC, you are changing the semantics of value "1". It used to mean "SOFT_OFFLINE_ENABLED" now it is "SOFT_OFFLINE_ENABLED_SKIP_HUGETLB", which is a change in behavior. If that is the case, I don't think that's okay. 2) I am not sure about changing the default. That should be an admin/ distro decision. -- Cheers David / dhildenb