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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	oleg@redhat.com, rostedt@goodmis.org, mhiramat@kernel.org,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	jolsa@kernel.org, paulmck@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, mjguzik@gmail.com, brauner@kernel.org,
	andrii@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/1] mm: introduce mmap_lock_speculation_{start|end}
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 18:15:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZvLzueEY9Sbyz1H4@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez131NJWvo_RrxL7Ss0p4jd_aKOu71z1vm9wfaH7Qjn+qw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 12:52:39AM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> FWIW, I would still feel happier if this was a 64-bit number, though I
> guess at least with uprobes the attack surface is not that large even
> if you can wrap that counter... 2^31 counter increments are not all
> that much, especially if someone introduces a kernel path in the
> future that lets you repeatedly take the mmap_lock for writing within
> a single syscall without doing much work, or maybe on some machine
> where syscalls are really fast. I really don't like hinging memory
> safety on how fast or slow some piece of code can run, unless we can
> make strong arguments about it based on how many memory writes a CPU
> core is capable of doing per second or stuff like that.

You could repeatedly call munmap(1, 0) which will take the
mmap_write_lock, do no work and call mmap_write_unlock().  We could
fix that by moving the start/len validation outside the
mmap_write_lock(), but it won't increase the path length by much.
How many syscalls can we do per second?
https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/post/syscall-latency suggests 217ns per
syscall, so we'll be close to 4.6m syscalls/second or 466 seconds (7
minutes, 46 seconds).


  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-24 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-06  5:12 [PATCH 0/2] uprobes,mm: speculative lockless VMA-to-uprobe lookup Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-06  5:12 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce mmap_lock_speculation_{start|end} Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-09 12:35   ` Jann Horn
2024-09-10  2:09     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-09-10 15:31       ` Jann Horn
2024-09-11 21:34       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-11 21:48         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-09-12 21:02           ` [PATCH v2 1/1] " Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-09-12 21:04             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-09-12 22:19               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-12 22:24                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-09-12 22:52             ` Jann Horn
2024-09-24 17:15               ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2024-09-24 18:00                 ` Jann Horn
2024-09-06  5:12 ` [PATCH 2/2] uprobes: add speculative lockless VMA-to-inode-to-uprobe resolution Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-08  1:22   ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-09-09  1:08     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-09 13:12   ` Jann Horn
2024-09-09 21:29     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-10 15:39       ` Jann Horn
2024-09-10 20:56         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-10 16:32       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-09-10 20:58         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-12 11:17           ` Christian Brauner
2024-09-12 17:54             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-15 15:04   ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-09-17  8:19     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-10 16:06 ` [PATCH 0/2] uprobes,mm: speculative lockless VMA-to-uprobe lookup Jann Horn
2024-09-10 17:58   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-10 18:13     ` Jann Horn

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