From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Subject: Re: [DESIGN] Hardening page allocator against type confusion
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 17:50:39 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zv7LXxI8Yud3sP-P@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c36bf308-1966-48fd-82a2-a2ce6dbcf6db@suse.cz>
On Thu, Oct 03, 2024 at 04:27:12PM +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 9/25/24 21:46, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > Kees and I had a fun discussion at Plumbers.
> >
> > We're trying to harden against type confusion, where we think we have
> > a pointer to one thing, but it turns out to be a pointer to a different
> > thing. There's various ways this can be harmful, which Kees has laid out
> > before when adding slab buckets. eg see https://lwn.net/Articles/978976/
> >
> > Not all allocations come from slab though. If we free a slab object
> > and the slab it was in gets freed back to the page allocator, it can
> > turn into almost anything else _quickly_ as the page allocator fronts
> > the buddy allocator with a stack of recently-freed pages (called PCP,
> > not to be confused with percpu memory), so if the attacker can arrange
> > for a page table allocation to come in soon after a slab free, it is
> > very likely to be the memory they have access to.
> >
> > My proposal is that we resolve this "type confusion" by having separate
> > PCP lists for different types of pages. We'll need to have this for
> > memdescs anyway, so this is just shifting some of the work left.
> >
> > We'd reduce the exploitability of type confusion by using a per-CPU,
> > per-type stack of recently used pages. To turn a slab page into a page
> > table page, the attacker would have to cause a dozen slabs to be freed on
> > this CPU, pushing this one into the buddy allocator. Then they'd have
> > to cause the allocating task to empty its stack of page table pages,
> > causing the attackable slab to be pulled from the buddy. It's still
> > possible, but it's harder.
> >
> > Harder enough? I don't know, hence this email. We can get into the
> > API design (and then the implementation design) if we have agreement
> > that this is the right approach to be taking.
>
> Not a security expert but I doubt it's harder enough?
>
> I thought the robust mitigation here was SLAB_VIRTUAL
Well, this is for allocations that _don't_ come from slab. Like page
tables and page cache or anoymous memory.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-10-03 16:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-09-25 19:46 Matthew Wilcox
2024-10-03 14:27 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-10-03 16:50 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2024-10-04 14:04 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-10-04 18:01 ` Kees Cook
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