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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Chris Mason <clm@meta.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Christian Theune <ct@flyingcircus.io>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,
	"linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Daniel Dao <dqminh@cloudflare.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	regressions@lists.linux.dev, regressions@leemhuis.info
Subject: Re: Known and unfixed active data loss bug in MM + XFS with large folios since Dec 2021 (any kernel from 6.1 upwards)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:15:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZuSBPrN2CbWMlr3f@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b40b2b1c-3ed5-4943-b8d0-316e04cb1dab@meta.com>

On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 12:33:49PM -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
> > If you could get the precise index numbers, that would be an important
> > clue.  It would be interesting to know the index number in the xarray
> > where the folio was found rather than folio->index (as I suspect that
> > folio->index is completely bogus because folio->mapping is wrong).
> > But gathering that info is going to be hard.
> 
> This particular debug session was late at night while we were urgently
> trying to roll out some NFS features.  I didn't really save many of the
> details because my plan was to reproduce it and make a full bug report.
> 
> Also, I was explaining the details to people in workplace chat, which is
> wildly bad at rendering long lines of structured text, especially when
> half the people in the chat are on a mobile device.
> 
> You're probably wondering why all of that is important...what I'm really
> trying to say is that I've attached a screenshot of the debugging output.
> 
> It came from a older drgn script, where I'm still clinging to "radix",
> and you probably can't trust the string representation of the page flags
> because I wasn't yet using Omar's helpers and may have hard coded them
> from an older kernel.

That's all _fine_.  This is enormously helpful.

First, we see the same folio appear three times.  I think that's
particularly significant.  Modulo 64 (number of entries/node), the indices
the bad folio are found at is 16, 32 and 48.  So I think the _current_
order of folio is 4, but at the time the folio was put in the xarray,
it was order 6.  Except ... at order-6 we elide a level of the xarray.
So we shouldn't be able to see this.  Hm.

Oh!  I think split is the key.  Let's say we have an order-6 (or
larger) folio.  And we call split_huge_page() (whatever it's called
in your kernel version).  That calls xas_split_alloc() followed
by xas_split().  xas_split_alloc() puts entry in node->slots[0] and
initialises node->slots[1..XA_CHUNK_SIZE] to a sibling entry.

Now, if we do allocate those node in xas_split_alloc(), we're supposed to
free them with radix_tree_node_rcu_free() which zeroes all the slots.
But what if we don't, somehow?  (this is my best current theory).
Then we allocate the node to a different tree, but any time we try to
look something up, unless it's the index for which we allocated the node,
we find a sibling entry and it points to a stale pointer.

I'm going to think on this a bit more, but so far this is all good
evidence for my leading theory.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-13 18:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-12 21:18 Christian Theune
2024-09-12 21:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-12 22:11   ` Christian Theune
2024-09-12 22:12   ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-12 22:25     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-12 22:30       ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-12 22:56         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-13  3:44           ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-13 13:23             ` Christian Theune
2024-09-13 12:11       ` Christian Brauner
2024-09-16 13:29         ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-18  9:51           ` Christian Brauner
2024-09-13 15:30       ` Chris Mason
2024-09-13 15:51         ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-13 16:33           ` Chris Mason
2024-09-13 18:15             ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2024-09-13 21:24               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-13 21:30                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-13 16:04       ` David Howells
2024-09-13 16:37         ` Chris Mason
2024-09-16  0:00       ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-16  4:20         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-16  8:47           ` Chris Mason
2024-09-17  9:32             ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-17  9:36               ` Chris Mason
2024-09-17 10:11               ` Christian Theune
2024-09-17 11:13               ` Chris Mason
2024-09-17 13:25                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-18  6:37                   ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-18  9:28                     ` Chris Mason
2024-09-18 12:23                       ` Chris Mason
2024-09-18 13:34                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-18 13:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-18 14:12                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-18 14:39                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-18 17:12                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-18 16:37                             ` Chris Mason
2024-09-19  1:43                         ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-19  3:03                           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-19  3:12                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-19  3:38                               ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-19  4:32                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-19  4:42                                   ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-19  4:36                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-19  4:46                                   ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-19  5:20                                     ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-19  4:46                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-20 13:54                                   ` Chris Mason
2024-09-24 15:58                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-24 17:16                                     ` Sam James
2024-09-25 16:06                                       ` Kairui Song
2024-09-25 16:42                                         ` Christian Theune
2024-09-27 14:51                                         ` Sam James
2024-09-27 14:58                                           ` Jens Axboe
2024-10-01 21:10                                             ` Kairui Song
2024-09-24 19:17                                     ` Chris Mason
2024-09-24 19:24                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-19  6:34                               ` Christian Theune
2024-09-19  6:57                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-19 10:19                                   ` Christian Theune
2024-09-30 17:34                                     ` Christian Theune
2024-09-30 18:46                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-30 19:25                                         ` Christian Theune
2024-09-30 20:12                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-30 20:56                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-30 22:42                                               ` Davidlohr Bueso
2024-09-30 23:00                                                 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2024-09-30 23:53                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-01  0:56                                       ` Chris Mason
2024-10-01  7:54                                         ` Christian Theune
2024-10-10  6:29                                         ` Christian Theune
2024-10-11  7:27                                           ` Christian Theune
2024-10-11  9:08                                             ` Christian Theune
2024-10-11 13:06                                               ` Chris Mason
2024-10-11 13:50                                                 ` Christian Theune
2024-10-12 17:01                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-12-02 10:44                                                   ` Christian Theune
2024-10-01  2:22                                       ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-16  7:14         ` Christian Theune
2024-09-16 12:16           ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-18  8:31           ` Christian Theune

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