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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Christian Theune <ct@flyingcircus.io>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org,
	"linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, axboe@kernel.dk,
	Daniel Dao <dqminh@cloudflare.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	clm@meta.com, regressions@lists.linux.dev,
	regressions@leemhuis.info
Subject: Re: Known and unfixed active data loss bug in MM + XFS with large folios since Dec 2021 (any kernel from 6.1 upwards)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 22:55:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZuNjNNmrDPVsVK03@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <A5A976CB-DB57-4513-A700-656580488AB6@flyingcircus.io>

On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 11:18:34PM +0200, Christian Theune wrote:
> This bug is very hard to reproduce but has been known to exist as a
> “fluke” for a while already. I have invested a number of days trying
> to come up with workloads to trigger it quicker than that stochastic
> “once every few weeks in a fleet of 1.5k machines", but it eludes
> me so far. I know that this also affects Facebook/Meta as well as
> Cloudflare who are both running newer kernels (at least 6.1, 6.6,
> and 6.9) with the above mentioned patch reverted. I’m from a much
> smaller company and seeing that those guys are running with this patch
> reverted (that now makes their kernel basically an untested/unsupported
> deviation from the mainline) smells like desparation. I’m with a
> much smaller team and company and I’m wondering why this isn’t
> tackled more urgently from more hands to make it shallow (hopefully).

This passive-aggressive nonsense is deeply aggravating.  I've known
about this bug for much longer, but like you I am utterly unable to
reproduce it.  I've spent months looking for the bug, and I cannot.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-12 21:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-12 21:18 Christian Theune
2024-09-12 21:55 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2024-09-12 22:11   ` Christian Theune
2024-09-12 22:12   ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-12 22:25     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-12 22:30       ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-12 22:56         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-13  3:44           ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-13 13:23             ` Christian Theune
2024-09-13 12:11       ` Christian Brauner
2024-09-16 13:29         ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-18  9:51           ` Christian Brauner
2024-09-13 15:30       ` Chris Mason
2024-09-13 15:51         ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-13 16:33           ` Chris Mason
2024-09-13 18:15             ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-13 21:24               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-13 21:30                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-13 16:04       ` David Howells
2024-09-13 16:37         ` Chris Mason
2024-09-16  0:00       ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-16  4:20         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-16  8:47           ` Chris Mason
2024-09-17  9:32             ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-17  9:36               ` Chris Mason
2024-09-17 10:11               ` Christian Theune
2024-09-17 11:13               ` Chris Mason
2024-09-17 13:25                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-18  6:37                   ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-18  9:28                     ` Chris Mason
2024-09-18 12:23                       ` Chris Mason
2024-09-18 13:34                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-18 13:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-18 14:12                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-18 14:39                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-18 17:12                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-18 16:37                             ` Chris Mason
2024-09-19  1:43                         ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-19  3:03                           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-19  3:12                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-19  3:38                               ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-19  4:32                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-19  4:42                                   ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-19  4:36                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-19  4:46                                   ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-19  5:20                                     ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-19  4:46                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-20 13:54                                   ` Chris Mason
2024-09-24 15:58                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-24 17:16                                     ` Sam James
2024-09-25 16:06                                       ` Kairui Song
2024-09-25 16:42                                         ` Christian Theune
2024-09-27 14:51                                         ` Sam James
2024-09-27 14:58                                           ` Jens Axboe
2024-10-01 21:10                                             ` Kairui Song
2024-09-24 19:17                                     ` Chris Mason
2024-09-24 19:24                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-19  6:34                               ` Christian Theune
2024-09-19  6:57                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-19 10:19                                   ` Christian Theune
2024-09-30 17:34                                     ` Christian Theune
2024-09-30 18:46                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-30 19:25                                         ` Christian Theune
2024-09-30 20:12                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-30 20:56                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-30 22:42                                               ` Davidlohr Bueso
2024-09-30 23:00                                                 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2024-09-30 23:53                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-01  0:56                                       ` Chris Mason
2024-10-01  7:54                                         ` Christian Theune
2024-10-10  6:29                                         ` Christian Theune
2024-10-11  7:27                                           ` Christian Theune
2024-10-11  9:08                                             ` Christian Theune
2024-10-11 13:06                                               ` Chris Mason
2024-10-11 13:50                                                 ` Christian Theune
2024-10-12 17:01                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-12-02 10:44                                                   ` Christian Theune
2024-10-01  2:22                                       ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-16  7:14         ` Christian Theune
2024-09-16 12:16           ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-18  8:31           ` Christian Theune

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