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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	42.hyeyoo@gmail.com, cl@linux.com, hailong.liu@oppo.com,
	hch@infradead.org, iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com, penberg@kernel.org,
	rientjes@google.com, roman.gushchin@linux.dev, urezki@gmail.com,
	v-songbaohua@oppo.com, vbabka@suse.cz,
	virtualization@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/4] mm: clarify nofail memory allocation
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 10:24:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zsb1rM-azd_0gFzg@tiehlicka> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGsJ_4zM4tACW=8FrEVF6fhwke5BLHCXOb0O3xBoVsF9Rb7+9w@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu 22-08-24 19:57:41, Barry Song wrote:
> Regarding the concern about 'leaving locks
> behind' you have in that subthread,  I believe there's no difference
> when returning NULL, as it could still leave locks behind but offers
> a chance for the calling process to avoid an immediate crash.

Yes, I have mentioned this risk just for completeness. Without having
some sort of unwinding mechanism we are doomed to not be able to handle
this.

The sole difference between just returning NULL and OOPsing rigth away
is that the former is not guaranteed to happen and the caller can cause
an actual harm by derefering non-oopsing addressed close to 0 which
would be a) much harder to find out b) could cause much more damage than
killing the context right away.

Besides that I believe we have many BUG_ON users which would really
prefer to just call the current context instead, they just do not have
means to do that so OOPS_ON could be a safer way to stop bad users and
reduce the number of BUG_ONs as well.

I am just not really sure how to implement that. A stupid and an obvious
way would be to have a dereference from a known (pre-defined) unmapped
area. But this smells like something that should be achievable in a
better way.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-22  8:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-17  6:24 Barry Song
2024-08-17  6:24 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] vduse: avoid using __GFP_NOFAIL Barry Song
2024-08-17  6:24 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] mm: document __GFP_NOFAIL must be blockable Barry Song
2024-08-17  6:24 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] mm: BUG_ON to avoid NULL deference while __GFP_NOFAIL fails Barry Song
2024-08-19  9:43   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19  9:47     ` Barry Song
2024-08-19  9:55       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 10:02         ` Barry Song
2024-08-19 12:33           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 12:48             ` Barry Song
2024-08-19 12:49               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 17:12                 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19 17:17                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-19 20:24                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 20:35                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-19 21:57                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 22:13                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-20  6:17                         ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19 12:49             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-08-19 12:51               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 12:53                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-08-19 13:14                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 13:05                 ` Barry Song
2024-08-19 13:10                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 13:19                     ` Barry Song
2024-08-19 13:22                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-17  6:24 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] mm: prohibit NULL deference exposed for unsupported non-blockable __GFP_NOFAIL Barry Song
2024-08-18  2:55   ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-18  3:48     ` Barry Song
2024-08-18  5:51       ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-18  6:27         ` Barry Song
2024-08-18  6:45           ` Barry Song
2024-08-18  7:07             ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-18  7:25               ` Barry Song
2024-08-19  7:51               ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19  7:50     ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19  9:25       ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-19  9:39         ` Barry Song
2024-08-19  9:45           ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-19 10:10             ` Barry Song
2024-08-19 11:56               ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-19 12:09                 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19 12:17                   ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-19 14:01                     ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19 10:17         ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19 11:56           ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-19 12:04             ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19  9:44   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 10:19     ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19 12:48       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 13:02 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] mm: clarify nofail memory allocation David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 16:05   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-19 19:23     ` Barry Song
2024-08-19 19:33       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-19 21:48         ` Barry Song
2024-08-20  6:24         ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-21 12:40     ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-21 22:59       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22  6:21         ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22  6:40           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22  6:56             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22  7:47               ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22  7:57                 ` Barry Song
2024-08-22  8:24                   ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2024-08-22  8:39                     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-22  9:08                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22  9:16                         ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22  9:24                           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22  9:11                       ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22  9:18                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22  9:33                           ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22  9:44                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22  9:59                               ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22 10:30                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22 10:46                                   ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22  9:27                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-22  9:34                           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22  9:43                             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-22  9:53                               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22 11:58                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2024-08-26 12:10                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-08-27  6:57                               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-27  7:15                               ` Barry Song
2024-08-27  7:38                                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-08-27  7:50                                   ` Barry Song
2024-08-29 10:24                                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-08-29 11:53                                       ` Barry Song
2024-08-29 13:20                                         ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-29 21:27                                           ` Barry Song
2024-08-29 22:31                                             ` Barry Song
2024-08-30  7:24                                               ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-30  7:37                                                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-08-22  9:41                           ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22  9:42                             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-22  7:01             ` Gao Xiang
2024-08-22  7:54               ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22  8:04                 ` Gao Xiang
2024-08-22 14:35                   ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-22 15:02                     ` Gao Xiang
2024-08-22  6:37       ` Barry Song
2024-08-22 14:22         ` Yafang Shao

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