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From: Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>, Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Christophe Leroy <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/45] hugetlb pagewalk unification
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2024 10:18:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zoug1swoTOqNUPJo@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <84d4e799-90da-487e-adba-6174096283b5@redhat.com>

On Thu, Jul 04, 2024 at 05:23:30PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> My thinking was if "remove hugetlb_entry" cannot wait for "remove
> page_walk", because we found a reasonable way to do it better and convert
> the individual users. Maybe it can't.
> 
> I've not given up hope that we can end up with something better and clearer
> than the current page_walk API :)

Hi David,

I agree that the current page_walk might be a bit convoluted, and that the
indirect functions approach is a bit of a hassle.
Having said that, let me clarify something.

Although this patchset touches the page_walk API wrt. getting rid of
hugetlb special casing all over the place, my goal was not as focused on
the page_walk as it was on the hugetlb code to gain hability to be
interpreted on PUD/PMD level.

One of the things, among other things, that helped in creating this
mess/duplication we have wrt. hugetlb code vs mm core is that hugetlb
__always__ operates on ptes, which means that we cannot rely on the mm
core to do the right thing, and we need a bunch of hugetlb-pte functions
that knows about their thing, so we lean on that.

IMHO, that was a mistake to start with, but I was not around when it was
introduced and maybe there were good reasons to deal with that the way
it is done.
But, the thing is that my ultimate goal, is for hugetlb code to be able
to deal with PUD/PMD (pte and cont-pte is already dealt with) just like
mm core does for THP (PUD is not supported by THP, but you get me), and
that is not that difficult to do, as this patchset tries to prove.

Of course, for hugetlb to gain the hability to operate on PUD/PMD, this
means we need to add a fairly amount of code. e.g: for operating
hugepages on PUD level, code for markers on PUD/PMD level for
uffd/poison stuff (only dealt
on pmd/pte atm AFAIK), swap functions for PUD (is_swap_pud for PUD), etc.
Basically, almost all we did for PMD-* stuff we need it for PUD as well,
and that will be around when THP gains support for PUD if it ever does
(I guess that in a few years if memory capacity keeps increasing).

E.g: pud_to_swp_entry to detect that a swp entry is hwpoison with
     is_hwpoison_entry

Yes, it is a hassle to have more code around, but IMO, this new code
will help us in 1) move away from __always__ operate on ptes 2) ease
integrate hugetlb code into mm core.

I will keep working on this patchset not because of pagewalk savings,
but because I think it will help us in have hugetlb more mm-core ready,
since the current pagewalk has to test that a hugetlb page can be
properly read on PUD/PMD/PTE level no matter what: uffd for hugetlb on PUD/PMD,
hwpoison entries for swp on PUD/PMD, pud invalidating, etc.

If that gets accomplished, I think that a fair amount of code that lives
in hugetlb.c can be deleted/converted as less special casing will be needed.

I might be wrong and maybe I will hit a brick wall, but hopefully not.



-- 
Oscar Salvador
SUSE Labs


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-08  8:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-04  4:30 Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:30 ` [PATCH 01/45] arch/x86: Drop own definition of pgd,p4d_leaf Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:30 ` [PATCH 02/45] mm: Add {pmd,pud}_huge_lock helper Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04 15:02   ` Peter Xu
2024-07-04  4:30 ` [PATCH 03/45] mm/pagewalk: Move vma_pgtable_walk_begin and vma_pgtable_walk_end upfront Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:30 ` [PATCH 04/45] mm/pagewalk: Only call pud_entry when we have a pud leaf Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:30 ` [PATCH 05/45] mm/pagewalk: Enable walk_pmd_range to handle cont-pmds Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04 15:41   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-05 16:56   ` kernel test robot
2024-07-04  4:30 ` [PATCH 06/45] mm/pagewalk: Do not try to split non-thp pud or pmd leafs Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:30 ` [PATCH 07/45] arch/s390: Enable __s390_enable_skey_pmd to handle hugetlb vmas Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:30 ` [PATCH 08/45] fs/proc: Enable smaps_pmd_entry to handle PMD-mapped " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:30 ` [PATCH 09/45] mm: Implement pud-version functions for swap and vm_normal_page_pud Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:30 ` [PATCH 10/45] fs/proc: Create smaps_pud_range to handle PUD-mapped hugetlb vmas Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:30 ` [PATCH 11/45] fs/proc: Enable smaps_pte_entry to handle cont-pte mapped " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04 10:30   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-04  4:30 ` [PATCH 12/45] fs/proc: Enable pagemap_pmd_range to handle " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 13/45] mm: Implement pud-version uffd functions Oscar Salvador
2024-07-05 15:48   ` kernel test robot
2024-07-05 15:48   ` kernel test robot
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 14/45] fs/proc: Create pagemap_pud_range to handle PUD-mapped hugetlb vmas Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 15/45] fs/proc: Adjust pte_to_pagemap_entry for " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 16/45] fs/proc: Enable pagemap_scan_pmd_entry to handle " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 17/45] mm: Implement pud-version for pud_mkinvalid and pudp_establish Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 18/45] fs/proc: Create pagemap_scan_pud_entry to handle PUD-mapped hugetlb vmas Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 19/45] fs/proc: Enable gather_pte_stats to handle " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 20/45] fs/proc: Enable gather_pte_stats to handle cont-pte mapped " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 21/45] fs/proc: Create gather_pud_stats to handle PUD-mapped hugetlb pages Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 22/45] mm/mempolicy: Enable queue_folios_pmd to handle hugetlb vmas Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 23/45] mm/mempolicy: Create queue_folios_pud to handle PUD-mapped " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 24/45] mm/memory_failure: Enable check_hwpoisoned_pmd_entry to handle " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 25/45] mm/memory-failure: Create check_hwpoisoned_pud_entry to handle PUD-mapped " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 26/45] mm/damon: Enable damon_young_pmd_entry to handle " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 27/45] mm/damon: Create damon_young_pud_entry to handle PUD-mapped " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 28/45] mm/damon: Enable damon_mkold_pmd_entry to handle " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04 11:03   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 29/45] mm/damon: Create damon_mkold_pud_entry to handle PUD-mapped " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 30/45] mm,mincore: Enable mincore_pte_range to handle " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 31/45] mm/mincore: Create mincore_pud_range to handle PUD-mapped " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 32/45] mm/hmm: Enable hmm_vma_walk_pmd, to handle " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 33/45] mm/hmm: Enable hmm_vma_walk_pud to handle PUD-mapped " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 34/45] arch/powerpc: Skip hugetlb vmas in subpage_mark_vma_nohuge Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 35/45] arch/s390: Skip hugetlb vmas in thp_split_mm Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 36/45] fs/proc: Make clear_refs_test_walk skip hugetlb vmas Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 37/45] mm/lock: Make mlock_test_walk " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 38/45] mm/madvise: Make swapin_test_walk " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 39/45] mm/madvise: Make madvise_cold_test_walk " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 40/45] mm/madvise: Make madvise_free_test_walk " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 41/45] mm/migrate_device: Make migrate_vma_test_walk " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 42/45] mm/memcontrol: Make mem_cgroup_move_test_walk " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 43/45] mm/memcontrol: Make mem_cgroup_count_test_walk " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 44/45] mm/hugetlb_vmemmap: Make vmemmap_test_walk " Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04  4:31 ` [PATCH 45/45] mm: Delete all hugetlb_entry entries Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04 10:13 ` [PATCH 00/45] hugetlb pagewalk unification Oscar Salvador
2024-07-04 10:44 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-04 14:30   ` Peter Xu
2024-07-04 15:23     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-04 16:43       ` Peter Xu
2024-07-08  8:18       ` Oscar Salvador [this message]
2024-07-08 14:28         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-10  3:52         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-10 11:26           ` Oscar Salvador
2024-07-11  0:15             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11  4:48               ` Oscar Salvador
2024-07-11  4:53                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-08 14:35     ` Jason Gunthorpe

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