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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: "Christoph Lameter (Ampere)" <cl@gentwo.org>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Sweet Tea Dorminy <sweettea@google.com>,
	Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Dennis Zhou <dennis@kernel.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Martin Liu <liumartin@google.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	christian.koenig@amd.com, Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@gmail.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2] Introduce Hierarchical Per-CPU Counters
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 18:01:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z_VWc6Z90rhfyLBp@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f90d7646-99a3-48f5-ba2e-850c73592080@gentwo.org>

On Tue, Apr 08, 2025 at 09:37:18AM -0700, Christoph Lameter (Ampere) wrote:
> > The hierarchical per-CPU counters propagate a sum approximation through
> > a binary tree. When reaching the batch size, the carry is propagated
> > through a binary tree which consists of log2(nr_cpu_ids) levels. The
> > batch size for each level is twice the batch size of the prior level.
> 
> A binary tree? Could we do this N-way? Otherwise the tree will be 8 levels
> on a 512 cpu machine. Given the inflation of the number of cpus this
> scheme better work up to 8K cpus.

I find that a fan-out somewhere between 8 and 16 works well in practice.
log16(512) gives a 3 level tree as does a log8 tree.  log16(8192) is a 4
level tree whereas log8(8192) is a 5 level tree.  Not a big difference
either way.

Somebody was trying to persuade me that a new tree type that maintained
additional information at each level of the tree to make some operations
log(log(N)) would be a better idea than a B-tree that is log(N).  I
countered that a wider tree made the argument unsound at any size tree
up to 100k.  And we don't tend to have _that_ many objects in a
data structure inside the kernel.

ceil(log14(100,000)) = 5
ceil(log2(log2(100,000))) = 5

at a million, there's actually a gap, 6 vs 5.  But constant factors
become a much larger factor than scalability arguments at that point.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-08 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-08 16:05 Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-04-08 16:37 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2025-04-08 17:01   ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2025-04-08 17:41     ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-04-08 19:40       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-04-08 20:08         ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-04-08 19:29   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-04-08 20:44     ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2025-04-08 21:00       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-04-08 21:21         ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2025-04-08 21:46           ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-04-08 22:12 ` Roman Gushchin

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