From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: "Christoph Lameter (Ampere)" <cl@gentwo.org>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
Sweet Tea Dorminy <sweettea@google.com>,
Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>,
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"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
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Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2] Introduce Hierarchical Per-CPU Counters
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 18:01:39 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z_VWc6Z90rhfyLBp@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f90d7646-99a3-48f5-ba2e-850c73592080@gentwo.org>
On Tue, Apr 08, 2025 at 09:37:18AM -0700, Christoph Lameter (Ampere) wrote:
> > The hierarchical per-CPU counters propagate a sum approximation through
> > a binary tree. When reaching the batch size, the carry is propagated
> > through a binary tree which consists of log2(nr_cpu_ids) levels. The
> > batch size for each level is twice the batch size of the prior level.
>
> A binary tree? Could we do this N-way? Otherwise the tree will be 8 levels
> on a 512 cpu machine. Given the inflation of the number of cpus this
> scheme better work up to 8K cpus.
I find that a fan-out somewhere between 8 and 16 works well in practice.
log16(512) gives a 3 level tree as does a log8 tree. log16(8192) is a 4
level tree whereas log8(8192) is a 5 level tree. Not a big difference
either way.
Somebody was trying to persuade me that a new tree type that maintained
additional information at each level of the tree to make some operations
log(log(N)) would be a better idea than a B-tree that is log(N). I
countered that a wider tree made the argument unsound at any size tree
up to 100k. And we don't tend to have _that_ many objects in a
data structure inside the kernel.
ceil(log14(100,000)) = 5
ceil(log2(log2(100,000))) = 5
at a million, there's actually a gap, 6 vs 5. But constant factors
become a much larger factor than scalability arguments at that point.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-08 17:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-08 16:05 Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-04-08 16:37 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2025-04-08 17:01 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2025-04-08 17:41 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-04-08 19:40 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-04-08 20:08 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-04-08 19:29 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-04-08 20:44 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2025-04-08 21:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-04-08 21:21 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2025-04-08 21:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-04-08 22:12 ` Roman Gushchin
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