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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Removing GFP_NOFS
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 15:47:39 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZZzP6731XwZQnz0o@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZZcgXI46AinlcBDP@casper.infradead.org>

On Thu, Jan 04, 2024 at 09:17:16PM +0000, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> This is primarily a _FILESYSTEM_ track topic.  All the work has already
> been done on the MM side; the FS people need to do their part.  It could
> be a joint session, but I'm not sure there's much for the MM people
> to say.
> 
> There are situations where we need to allocate memory, but cannot call
> into the filesystem to free memory.  Generally this is because we're
> holding a lock or we've started a transaction, and attempting to write
> out dirty folios to reclaim memory would result in a deadlock.
> 
> The old way to solve this problem is to specify GFP_NOFS when allocating
> memory.  This conveys little information about what is being protected
> against, and so it is hard to know when it might be safe to remove.
> It's also a reflex -- many filesystem authors use GFP_NOFS by default
> even when they could use GFP_KERNEL because there's no risk of deadlock.
> 
> The new way is to use the scoped APIs -- memalloc_nofs_save() and
> memalloc_nofs_restore().  These should be called when we start a
> transaction or take a lock that would cause a GFP_KERNEL allocation to
> deadlock.  Then just use GFP_KERNEL as normal.  The memory allocators
> can see the nofs situation is in effect and will not call back into
> the filesystem.

So in rebasing the XFS kmem.[ch] removal patchset I've been working
on, there is a clear memory allocator function that we need to be
scoped: __GFP_NOFAIL.

All of the allocations done through the existing XFS kmem.[ch]
interfaces (i.e just about everything) have __GFP_NOFAIL semantics
added except in the explicit cases where we add KM_MAYFAIL to
indicate that the allocation can fail.

The result of this conversion to remove GFP_NOFS is that I'm also
adding *dozens* of __GFP_NOFAIL annotations because we effectively
scope that behaviour.

Hence I think this discussion needs to consider that __GFP_NOFAIL is
also widely used within critical filesystem code that cannot
gracefully recover from memory allocation failures, and that this
would also be useful to scope....

Yeah, I know, mm developers hate __GFP_NOFAIL. We've been using
these semantics NOFAIL in XFS for over 2 decades and the sky hasn't
fallen. So can we get memalloc_nofail_{save,restore}() so that we
can change the default allocation behaviour in certain contexts
(e.g. the same contexts we need NOFS allocations) to be NOFAIL
unless __GFP_RETRY_MAYFAIL or __GFP_NORETRY are set?

We already have memalloc_noreclaim_{save/restore}() for turning off
direct memory reclaim for a given context (i.e. equivalent of
clearing __GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM), so if we are going to embrace scoped
allocation contexts, then we should be going all in and providing
all the contexts that filesystems actually need....

-Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-01-09  4:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-04 21:17 Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-05 10:13 ` Viacheslav Dubeyko
2024-01-05 10:26   ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2024-01-05 14:17     ` Viacheslav Dubeyko
2024-01-05 14:35   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-01-05 10:57 ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2024-01-08 11:47   ` Johannes Thumshirn
2024-01-08 17:39     ` David Sterba
2024-01-09  7:43       ` Johannes Thumshirn
2024-01-09 22:23         ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-09 15:47     ` Luis Henriques
2024-01-09 18:04       ` Johannes Thumshirn
2024-01-08  6:39 ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-09  4:47 ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2024-02-08 16:02   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-02-08 17:33     ` Michal Hocko
2024-02-08 19:55       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-02-08 22:45         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-12  1:20         ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-12  2:06           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-12  4:35             ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-12 19:30               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-12 22:07                 ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-09 22:44 ` Dave Chinner

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