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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Chuck Lever <cel@kernel.org>
Cc: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	kasan-dev@googlegroups.com, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/9] Exploring biovec support in (R)DMA API
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 16:53:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZTFRBxVFQIjtQEsP@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <169772852492.5232.17148564580779995849.stgit@klimt.1015granger.net>

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 11:25:31AM -0400, Chuck Lever wrote:
> The SunRPC stack manages pages (and eventually, folios) via an
> array of struct biovec items within struct xdr_buf. We have not
> fully committed to replacing the struct page array in xdr_buf
> because, although the socket API supports biovec arrays, the RDMA
> stack uses struct scatterlist rather than struct biovec.
> 
> This (incomplete) series explores what it might look like if the
> RDMA core API could support struct biovec array arguments. The
> series compiles on x86, but I haven't tested it further. I'm posting
> early in hopes of starting further discussion.

Good call, because I think patch 2/9 is a complete non-starter.

The fundamental problem with scatterlist is that it is both input
and output for the mapping operation.  You're replicating this mistake
in a different data structure.

My vision for the future is that we have phyr as our input structure.
That looks something like:

struct phyr {
	phys_addr_t start;
	size_t len;
};

On 32-bit, that's 8 or 12 bytes; on 64-bit it's 16 bytes.  This is
better than biovec because biovec is sometimes larger than that, and
it allows specifying IO to memory that does not have a struct page.

Our output structure can continue being called the scatterlist, but
it needs to go on a diet and look more like:

struct scatterlist {
	dma_addr_t dma_address;
	size_t dma_length;
};

Getting to this point is going to be a huge amount of work, and I need
to finish folios first.  Or somebody else can work on it ;-)


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-10-19 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-19 15:25 Chuck Lever
2023-10-19 15:25 ` [PATCH RFC 4/9] mm: kmsan: Add support for DMA mapping bio_vec arrays Chuck Lever
2023-10-19 15:53 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2023-10-19 17:48   ` [PATCH RFC 0/9] Exploring biovec support in (R)DMA API Chuck Lever
2023-10-20  4:58   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-20 10:30     ` Robin Murphy
2023-10-23  5:59       ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-19 16:43 ` Robin Murphy
2023-10-19 17:53   ` Jason Gunthorpe

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