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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Ivan Babrou <ivan@cloudflare.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] mm: memcg: use non-unified stats flushing for userspace reads
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 09:33:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZOW2PZN8Sgqq6uR2@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJD7tka13M-zVZTyQJYL1iUAYvuQ1fcHbCjcOBZcz6POYTV-4g@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue 22-08-23 08:30:05, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 2:06 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon 21-08-23 20:54:58, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
[...]
> So to answer your question, I don't think a random user can really
> affect the system in a significant way by constantly flushing. In
> fact, in the test script (which I am now attaching, in case you're
> interested), there are hundreds of threads that are reading stats of
> different cgroups every 1s, and I don't see any negative effects on
> in-kernel flushers in this case (reclaimers).

I suspect you have missed my point. Maybe I am just misunderstanding
the code but it seems to me that the lock dropping inside
cgroup_rstat_flush_locked effectivelly allows unbounded number of
contenders which is really dangerous when it is triggerable from the
userspace. The number of spinners at a moment is always bound by the
number CPUs but depending on timing many potential spinners might be
cond_rescheded and the worst time latency to complete can be really
high. Makes more sense?
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-23  7:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-21 20:54 [PATCH 0/3] memcg: non-unified flushing for userspace stats Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: memcg: properly name and document unified stats flushing Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: memcg: add a helper for non-unified " Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-22 13:01   ` Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 16:00     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-22 16:35       ` Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 16:48         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: memcg: use non-unified stats flushing for userspace reads Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-22  9:06   ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-22 15:30     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-23  7:33       ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2023-08-23 14:55         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-24  7:13           ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-24 18:15             ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-24 18:50               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-25  7:05                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 15:14                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-25 18:17                     ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 18:21                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-25 18:43                         ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 18:44                           ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-28 15:47                     ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-28 16:15                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:00                         ` Shakeel Butt
2023-08-28 17:07                           ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:27                             ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 17:28                               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:35                                 ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 17:43                                   ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 18:35                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29  7:27                               ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-29 15:05                                 ` Waiman Long
2023-08-29 15:17                                   ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-29 16:04                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29 18:44                   ` Tejun Heo
2023-08-29 19:13                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29 19:36                       ` Tejun Heo
2023-08-29 19:54                         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29 20:12                           ` Tejun Heo
2023-08-29 20:20                             ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-31  9:05                               ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-22 13:00 ` [PATCH 0/3] memcg: non-unified flushing for userspace stats Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 15:43   ` Yosry Ahmed

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