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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Ivan Babrou <ivan@cloudflare.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] mm: memcg: use non-unified stats flushing for userspace reads
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 10:12:52 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZO5RROsZ1VESCsMG@slm.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJD7tkYtnhemCLBqFqOVurfWEaCjKtyEM745JYRxFS0r5cpZwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 12:54:06PM -0700, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
...
> > Maybe leave the global lock as-is and gate the userland flushers with a
> > mutex so that there's only ever one contenting on the rstat lock from
> > userland side?
> 
> Waiman suggested this as well. We can do that for sure, although I
> think we should wait until we are sure it's needed.
> 
> One question. If whoever is holding that mutex is either flushing with
> the spinlock held or spinning (i.e not sleepable or preemptable),
> wouldn't this be equivalent to just changing the spinlock with a mutex
> and disable preemption while holding it?

Well, it creates layering so that userspace can't flood the inner lock which
can cause contention issues for kernel side users. Not sleeping while
actively flushing is an side-effect too but the code at least doesn't look
as anti-patterny as disabling preemption right after grabbing a mutex.

I don't have a strong preference. As long as we stay away from introducing a
new user interface construct and can address the noticed scalability issues,
it should be fine. Note that there are other ways to address priority
inversions and contentions too - e.g. we can always bounce flushing to a
[kthread_]kworker and rate limit (or rather latency limit) how often
different classes of users can trigger flushing. I don't think we have to go
there yet but if the simpler meaures don't work out, there are still many
ways to solve the problem within the kernel.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun


  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-29 20:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-21 20:54 [PATCH 0/3] memcg: non-unified flushing for userspace stats Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: memcg: properly name and document unified stats flushing Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: memcg: add a helper for non-unified " Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-22 13:01   ` Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 16:00     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-22 16:35       ` Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 16:48         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: memcg: use non-unified stats flushing for userspace reads Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-22  9:06   ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-22 15:30     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-23  7:33       ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-23 14:55         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-24  7:13           ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-24 18:15             ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-24 18:50               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-25  7:05                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 15:14                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-25 18:17                     ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 18:21                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-25 18:43                         ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 18:44                           ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-28 15:47                     ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-28 16:15                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:00                         ` Shakeel Butt
2023-08-28 17:07                           ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:27                             ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 17:28                               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:35                                 ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 17:43                                   ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 18:35                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29  7:27                               ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-29 15:05                                 ` Waiman Long
2023-08-29 15:17                                   ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-29 16:04                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29 18:44                   ` Tejun Heo
2023-08-29 19:13                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29 19:36                       ` Tejun Heo
2023-08-29 19:54                         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29 20:12                           ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2023-08-29 20:20                             ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-31  9:05                               ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-22 13:00 ` [PATCH 0/3] memcg: non-unified flushing for userspace stats Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 15:43   ` Yosry Ahmed

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