Re: [RFC v1 1/3] mm/mmu_notifier: Add a new notifier for mapping updates (new pages)

[Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>]

On Tue, Aug 01, 2023 at 07:11:09AM +0000, Kasireddy, Vivek wrote:
> Ok, I'll keep your use-case in mind but AFAICS, the process that creates
> the udmabuf can be considered the owner. So, I think it makes sense that
> the owner's VMA range can be registered (via mmu_notifiers) for updates.

No need to have your special attention on this; my use case is not anything
useful with details, just wanted to show the idea that virtual address
range based notification might not work.

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> What limitation do you see with the usage of mmu notifiers for this use-case?
> And, if using mmu notifiers is not the right approach, how do you suggest we
> can solve this problem?

AFAIU, even if there'll be a notification chanism, it needs to be at least
in per-file address space (probably in file offsets) rather than per-mm for
a shmem backend, so that any mapping of the file should notify that.

Isn't it already too late though to wait that notification until page is
installed?  Because here you pinned the page for DMA, I think it means
before a new page installed (but after the page is invalidated) the device
can DMA to an invalid buffer.

To come back to the original question: I don't know how that could work at
all, the userapp should just never do that invalidation, because right
after it does, the dma buffer will be invalid, and the device can update
data into trash.  So.. I don't have an easy way to do this right.. besides
disabling ram discard just like what vfio does already.

Thanks,

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Peter Xu