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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	liubo <liubo254@huawei.com>, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 0/4] smaps / mm/gup: fix gup_can_follow_protnone fallout
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 19:14:26 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZMQ9wuSa3Sp3sVvE@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <22262495-c92c-20fa-dddf-eee4ce635b12@redhat.com>

On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 11:31:49PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> * vfio triggers FOLL_PIN|FOLL_LONGTERM from a random QEMU thread.
>   Where should we migrate that page to? Would it actually be counter-
>   productive to migrate it to the NUMA node of the setup thread? The
>   longterm pin will turn the page unmovable, yes, but where to migrate
>   it to?

For VFIO & KVM you actively don't get any kind of numa balancing or
awareness. In this case qemu should probably strive to put the memory
on the numa node of the majorty of CPUs early on because it doesn't
get another shot at it.

In other cases it depends quite alot. Eg DPDK might want its VFIO
buffers to NUMA'd to the node that is close to the device, not the
CPU. Or vice versa. There is alot of micro sensitivity here at high
data rates. I think people today manually tune this by deliberately
allocating the memory to specific numas and then GUP should just leave
it alone.

FWIW, I'm reading this thread and I have no idea what the special
semantic is KVM needs from GUP, so I'm all for better documentation on
the GUP flag :)

Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-28 22:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-27 21:28 David Hildenbrand
2023-07-27 21:28 ` [PATCH v1 2/4] mm/gup: Make follow_page() succeed again on PROT_NONE PTEs/PMDs David Hildenbrand
2023-07-28  2:30   ` John Hubbard
2023-07-28  9:08     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-28 10:12       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-27 21:28 ` [PATCH v1 3/4] smaps: use vm_normal_page_pmd() instead of follow_trans_huge_pmd() David Hildenbrand
2023-07-27 21:28 ` [PATCH v1 4/4] mm/gup: document FOLL_FORCE behavior David Hildenbrand
2023-07-28 16:18 ` [PATCH v1 0/4] smaps / mm/gup: fix gup_can_follow_protnone fallout Linus Torvalds
2023-07-28 17:30   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-28 17:54     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-28 19:40     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-28 19:50       ` Peter Xu
2023-07-28 20:00         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-02 10:24     ` Mel Gorman
2023-07-28 19:39   ` Peter Xu
2023-07-28 19:52     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-28 20:23     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-28 20:33       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-28 20:50         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-28 21:02           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-28 21:20             ` Peter Xu
2023-07-28 21:31               ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-28 22:14                 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2023-07-31 16:01                   ` Peter Xu
2023-07-28 21:32               ` John Hubbard
2023-07-28 21:49                 ` Peter Xu
2023-07-28 22:00                   ` John Hubbard
2023-07-31 16:05                     ` Peter Xu
     [not found]   ` <412bb30f-0417-802c-3fc4-a4e9d5891c5d@redhat.com>
2023-07-29  9:35     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-31 16:10       ` Peter Xu
2023-07-31 16:20         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-31 18:23           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-31 18:51             ` Peter Xu
2023-07-31 19:00             ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-31 19:07               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-31 19:22                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-01 13:05               ` Jason Gunthorpe

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